To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Show us your cool, "old" drill press

Oregon rock crusher

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 28, 2016
Messages
1,898
Location
West of Salem
Friction Drive U. S. Electrical Tool Co. drill press. Just acquired this and haven't been able to find much online. Vintage machinery has some company information, but only one 1906 ad for the drill press. Seems to be pretty original except for the repaint. Going to check/lube things before I plug it in. Anybody have any info on this one? I've owned 3 other friction drill press and saved pics of everything I have found online for years, but haven't seen this one before. 293DA2E4-0349-41D0-89A6-2CD1886FA0BD_1_201_a.jpegD2119274-F6B9-4D11-87F7-91695995807A.jpeg
I owe a major thank you to crguy for allowing me the privilege of acquiring and caretaking this United States Electrical Company friction drill. A very generous gesture on his part. Since picking it up several weeks ago I have been leisurely working at getting it cleaned up and back in operating condition. It was already broken down into parts except for removing the spindle. That old Skinner chuck body would not let loose from its taper, even with heat and significant persuasion, and with the chuck on the spindle could not be removed from the drill frame.
IMG_7084.jpg
I ended up just armoring the spindle in place and got on with stripping off that god awful red paint. I tried to leave the “patina” under the paint unmolested. I considered painting the drill as there was a layer of dark green below the red under the table. After getting it stripped and liking the look I ended up just going with a couple coats of BLO. Also I made a small silver braze repair to one side of the table support where the casting was broken.
IMG_7124.jpg
The single phase 120v gear motor needed some internal wiring but I was very relieved when it sparked up and ran nice and smooth. This specialty framed gear motor would be very difficult to replace. No data tag on the motor but I assume it was made by the US Elect tool co. No load rpm was about 525.
IMG_7125.jpg
Fully stripped and soaking in some BLO on a sunny day. Also showing the braze repair line to the table mount casting.
IMG_7236.jpg
IMG_7237.jpg
The maker of the very cool rotary snap switch was revealed on clean up. Hart & Hegeman mfg co. They were making electrical switches from the 1800’s through the early 20’s. This switch breaks both legs.
IMG_7240.jpg
The badge on this drill was interesting as well. On the manufacturer tag in small print it states the company was a gold medal winner, not necessarily for this drill design, at the Panama Pacific Exposition of 1915. This was the Worlds fair held in San Fransisco in 1915 shortly after completion of the Panama canal. The dealer tag names Harrow Rickman & McCone with branches in SF and LA.
IMG_7242.jpg
The second coat of BLO took much longer to cure and everything was set around the wood stove for several days at steady heat until finally dry enough to handle. Ed.
IMG_7265.jpg
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Oregon rock crusher

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 28, 2016
Messages
1,898
Location
West of Salem
Here are a few of the finished drill pictures. This drill seems to have been produced from around 1906 to at least 1920. I think this one with a different motor casting then any of the adds show was probably late production. Also in none of the adds I found does the motor appear to be a gear motor....yet the 350-950 rpm range shown is fairly consistent with what this drill spins at with the 525 rpm gear motor. The weight listed at #112 in the earliest 07' add is about #23 lighter than the 1920 add shows. This one is all of #135 and top heavy. It runs pretty smooth and quiet. Ed.
IMG_7276.jpg
IMG_7277.jpg
IMG_7278.jpg
IMG_7280.jpg
45262-F.jpg
United States  Electrical Tool Co. drill 1920 add.jpeg
 

Mike'smeatshop

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 1, 2023
Messages
1,273
Here are a few of the finished drill pictures. This drill seems to have been produced from around 1906 to at least 1920. I think this one with a different motor casting then any of the adds show was probably late production. Also in none of the adds I found does the motor appear to be a gear motor....yet the 350-950 rpm range shown is fairly consistent with what this drill spins at with the 525 rpm gear motor. The weight listed at #112 in the earliest 07' add is about #23 lighter than the 1920 add shows. This one is all of #135 and top heavy. It runs pretty smooth and quiet. Ed.
IMG_7276.jpg
IMG_7277.jpg
IMG_7278.jpg
IMG_7280.jpg
45262-F.jpg
United States  Electrical Tool Co. drill 1920 add.jpeg
Very cool. I have a few friction drive lawn boy loafers, but the first drill press.
 

mikeinri

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 29, 2019
Messages
8,137
Location
MA
Here are a few of the finished drill pictures. This drill seems to have been produced from around 1906 to at least 1920. I think this one with a different motor casting then any of the adds show was probably late production. Also in none of the adds I found does the motor appear to be a gear motor....yet the 350-950 rpm range shown is fairly consistent with what this drill spins at with the 525 rpm gear motor. The weight listed at #112 in the earliest 07' add is about #23 lighter than the 1920 add shows. This one is all of #135 and top heavy. It runs pretty smooth and quiet. Ed.
IMG_7276.jpg
IMG_7277.jpg
IMG_7278.jpg
IMG_7280.jpg
45262-F.jpg
United States  Electrical Tool Co. drill 1920 add.jpeg

Nicely done!

Mike
 

crguy

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 24, 2016
Messages
2,631
Location
SW Washington
Here are a few of the finished drill pictures. This drill seems to have been produced from around 1906 to at least 1920. I think this one with a different motor casting then any of the adds show was probably late production. Also in none of the adds I found does the motor appear to be a gear motor....yet the 350-950 rpm range shown is fairly consistent with what this drill spins at with the 525 rpm gear motor. The weight listed at #112 in the earliest 07' add is about #23 lighter than the 1920 add shows. This one is all of #135 and top heavy. It runs pretty smooth and quiet. Ed.
IMG_7276.jpg
IMG_7277.jpg
IMG_7278.jpg
IMG_7280.jpg
45262-F.jpg
United States  Electrical Tool Co. drill 1920 add.jpeg
Great job on the drill Ed! I knew you were the right guy for the job. That makes 3 friction drive drill presses I have passed on to Ed. I actually felt a little guilty snapping this one up close to his area, but timing was important and I got to make sure it got saved.
 

Oregon rock crusher

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 28, 2016
Messages
1,898
Location
West of Salem
Thank you guys for the comments. Also thanks to crguy for all three of the uniquely different friction drills I've received from you. You certainly have a talent for finding the good stuff. Here are pics of all three together in one post although they are shown individually further back in this thread.

The first was a small Mechanics Machine Company cone drive friction drill which is one of that companies first successful designs in the late 1800's. I also have a 32" sliding head upright drill from this company. The second is an Albany Hardware globe or spherical drive drill. A very cool and unique design. The last one, the U. S. Elect. tool co. drill above uses a better known flat disc and wheel. May have to wait a while for another one of these to surface as this is the only one to reach the net so far. I do have one other 'Clark' Drill of a similar flat disc design but am missing drive parts for it. A few pics of each. EdIMG_3361.jpg
IMG_3362.jpg
IMG_3357.jpg
IMG_3407.jpg
IMG_7276.jpg
IMG_3344.jpg
 
Last edited:

Beerhippie

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 13, 2023
Messages
9,489
Location
Far NE Oregon
How many pulley sets? A 150 is one of the better later DPs.
No intermediate. Lowest of the motor sheave stack is busted. Quill doesn't have any detectable shake and everything moves. Needs lots of work, obviously.

Who the hell doesn't bother with simply unscrewing the shiny chrome bits before rattle-canning?

But where it is, it'll probably stay for a while and the price likely ain't going up any as it sits.

Guy's asking $40. If I can get it for twenty, I'll do so.
 
Last edited:

Skyman

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 9, 2021
Messages
1,123
Location
Central Maryland
I was unaware of this thread until just now. There's a lotta very cool machinery posted in it.

This one's hardly in the same class as most of what's been posted upthread, but I rehabbed it this summer after it was given to me by my best friend. Vintage 1968. At some point, I might repaint it, but for now the goal was to get it cleaned up and functioning as it should. That goal has been reached.

1765306871487.jpeg


1765306925101.jpeg


1765306933225.jpeg


1765306944442.jpeg


1765306953524.jpeg


1765306966739.jpeg

1765307101182-png.2452099



1765307156854.jpeg


1765307171902.jpeg
 

Attachments

  • 1765307101182.png
    1765307101182.png
    5.2 MB · Views: 154
  • 1765307130794.jpeg
    1765307130794.jpeg
    1,014.6 KB · Views: 11

Outlawmws

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 9, 2011
Messages
39,019
Location
The Badlands
That little Rockwell is a solid little DP and you can do a lot with one. we used an import one that size in my friend's shop and built a 1059 Ford 4X4 truck conversion from the frame up.
 

Skyman

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 9, 2021
Messages
1,123
Location
Central Maryland
That little Rockwell is a solid little DP and you can do a lot with one. we used an import one that size in my friend's shop and built a 1059 Ford 4X4 truck conversion from the frame up.

You're absolutely right. It is a solid machine, and I'm sure it'll do anything I'll ever ask of it. It lives in the basement workshop, as I already had a DP in the garage. I'm very pleased to have this one. It was a bit forlorn when I hauled it home, but it cleaned up nicely, and the time invested in the rehab was 100% worthwhile to me. With basic care and an absence of abuse, it'll last for generations. A bonus is that I learned many things I'd not known about DPs.
 

bugzilla46310

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 4, 2023
Messages
147
Location
Demotte, IN
More progress toward OSHA not having a cow when they see this machine. Having the motor pulley and half the belt exposed seems to be something that would elicit just such a response, so I need to cover them.

I have the top guard from the old dead press, so, I do some measuring, get out the lay-out tools (combi square and sharpie) and the angle grinder with cut-off wheel and start cutting. A little fit-in-place and here we go:

53531510106_75721964d6_b.jpg

53531940785_6ac42c7d1e_b.jpg

The only problem now is that the rest of the machine isn't blue, it's kind of a primer-gray. What paint to use? Hmm... Gray primer?

If I'm careful, I'll be able to save this:

53531510111_d2a4f66614_b.jpg

Which isn't right anyway as I used two different sets of pulleys.

It's in the oven curing right now. I have the mounting holes drilled and tapped and the screws and washers set aside, so it's about done.
Get some good photos and dimensions of it to mattblast on this forum and he can make duplicate decals of it. I’ve gotten several from him. All top quality. Then you won’t have to work around it when refinishing.
 
Joined
Nov 14, 2021
Messages
11
Here's an old Jet drill press, made in Japan, modified by me. I tore it down, degreased it, and installed all new sealed bearings. I replaced the plastic rack ring with a steel one. I replaced the cracked plastic belt guard with a steel one fabricated by me. I converted from a fractional horsepower AC motor to a 1000W DC servomotor and comtroller from Custom Crafter. I fabricated a motor adapter plate, and the plate that the control boxes mount on. I added a cheap tachometer for spindle speed since I have a weird pulley ratio of 1.79:1. I converted from step puleys to a single groove configuration with a 3VX belt on a 4.75" spindle sheave and a 2.65" motor sheave. I added the work light, and a 5/8" MT2 keyless chuck. The only thing left to fabricate is a flat cover for the belt guard. This machine is very smooth and quiet, and has a TIR of 0.001" with a piece of drill rod in the chuck. Speed range is 105 to 1940 rpm. I've got way too much money and time in this to make sense to most people, but this is America! Build what makes you happy!
View attachment 2461204
 

Attachments

  • 20251227_104719.jpg
    20251227_104719.jpg
    576.9 KB · Views: 27
  • 20251227_104421.jpg
    20251227_104421.jpg
    561.9 KB · Views: 25
  • 20251227_104612.jpg
    20251227_104612.jpg
    597.7 KB · Views: 24
Joined
Nov 14, 2021
Messages
11
I was unaware of this thread until just now. There's a lotta very cool machinery posted in it.

This one's hardly in the same class as most of what's been posted upthread, but I rehabbed it this summer after it was given to me by my best friend. Vintage 1968. At some point, I might repaint it, but for now the goal was to get it cleaned up and functioning as it should. That goal has been reached.

1765306871487.jpeg


1765306925101.jpeg


1765306933225.jpeg


1765306944442.jpeg


1765306953524.jpeg


1765306966739.jpeg

1765307101182-png.2452099



1765307156854.jpeg


1765307171902.jpeg
That looks great, and will last forever. I wouldn't change a thing. 🤌
 

mikeinri

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 29, 2019
Messages
8,137
Location
MA
Here's an old Jet drill press, made in Japan, modified by me. I tore it down, degreased it, and installed all new sealed bearings. I replaced the plastic rack ring with a steel one. I replaced the cracked plastic belt guard with a steel one fabricated by me. I converted from a fractional horsepower AC motor to a 1000W DC servomotor and comtroller from Custom Crafter. I fabricated a motor adapter plate, and the plate that the control boxes mount on. I added a cheap tachometer for spindle speed since I have a weird pulley ratio of 1.79:1. I converted from step puleys to a single groove configuration with a 3VX belt on a 4.75" spindle sheave and a 2.65" motor sheave. I added the work light, and a 5/8" MT2 keyless chuck. The only thing left to fabricate is a flat cover for the belt guard. This machine is very smooth and quiet, and has a TIR of 0.001" with a piece of drill rod in the chuck. Speed range is 105 to 1940 rpm. I've got way too much money and time in this to make sense to most people, but this is America! Build what makes you happy!
View attachment 2461204

That's amazing!

Mike
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

bugzilla46310

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 4, 2023
Messages
147
Location
Demotte, IN
Here's an old Jet drill press, made in Japan, modified by me. I tore it down, degreased it, and installed all new sealed bearings. I replaced the plastic rack ring with a steel one. I replaced the cracked plastic belt guard with a steel one fabricated by me. I converted from a fractional horsepower AC motor to a 1000W DC servomotor and comtroller from Custom Crafter. I fabricated a motor adapter plate, and the plate that the control boxes mount on. I added a cheap tachometer for spindle speed since I have a weird pulley ratio of 1.79:1. I converted from step puleys to a single groove configuration with a 3VX belt on a 4.75" spindle sheave and a 2.65" motor sheave. I added the work light, and a 5/8" MT2 keyless chuck. The only thing left to fabricate is a flat cover for the belt guard. This machine is very smooth and quiet, and has a TIR of 0.001" with a piece of drill rod in the chuck. Speed range is 105 to 1940 rpm. I've got way too much money and time in this to make sense to most people, but this is America! Build what makes you happy!
View attachment 2461204
Sound like it’s more American now than Japanese!
 

d42jeep

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 22, 2014
Messages
16,441
Location
Northern California
It’s a Delta and it’s now in the back of our car. It turned on and ran smoothly. I wasn’t able to detect any play. Fortunately my son in law was there to move it from the bench into the car. It belonged to his father who is in ill health and is moving. Now I just have to figure out how to get it out of the car. It’s a little heavy.IMG_5743.jpegIMG_5744.jpegIMG_5745.jpeg
-Don
 
Last edited:

LanceMc

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 5, 2016
Messages
282
Location
Texas
This is a work of art!
It’s a Delta and it’s now in the back of our car. It turned on and ran smoothly. I wasn’t able to detect any play. Fortunately my son in law was there to move it from the bench into the car. It belonged to his father who is in ill health and is moving. Now I just have to figure out how to get it out of the car. It’s a little heavy.IMG_5743.jpegIMG_5744.jpegIMG_5745.jpeg
-Don
 

Ultradog MN

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 20, 2024
Messages
727
Location
Twin Cities
I’m going to look at this one at noon. Any thoughts!1000012316.jpeg1000012317.jpeg
-Don
Just a heads up... a small, two pulley DP like that is not very suitable for metal working.
They simply spin too fast for metal.
For small holes in light steel, for holes in soft metals like brass, bronze or aluminum and for woodworking they are adequate. Some smaller DPs could have come with an optional third pully setup or could be retrofitted with a home made 3rd pulley which substantially decreases quill speeds.
Those do much better with larger bits +/- 1/2") in softer steel or stainless. So keep your intended use of a DP in mind as you bid.
 

d42jeep

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 22, 2014
Messages
16,441
Location
Northern California
Just a heads up... a small, two pulley DP like that is not very suitable for metal working.
They simply spin too fast for metal.
For small holes in light steel, for holes in soft metals like brass, bronze or aluminum and for woodworking they are adequate. Some smaller DPs could have come with an optional third pully setup or could be retrofitted with a home made 3rd pulley which substantially decreases quill speeds.
Those do much better with larger bits +/- 1/2") in softer steel or stainless. So keep your intended use of a DP in mind as you bid.
Thanks for the good advice. Fortunately, I don’t suffer from a lack of drill presses. My main problem is a lack of space. The drill press was free to me and I couldn’t bear to see it potentially thrown into a dumpster. The more I look at it the more I appreciate it‘s condition. I’ll probably just clean it up and take it to my summer home. I have a more modern little Delta one there which I may replace with this one.
-Don
 

Beerhippie

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 13, 2023
Messages
9,489
Location
Far NE Oregon
Not all 120V motors will take a VFD. Now replacng one of those with a treadmill motor will fix the issue.
Once again, without some reduction, a treadmill motor--and I have a big one (yeah, bragging), still loses torque at low speeds. Today, I was running a #10-24 tap into 1/4" 6061 aluminum with my treadmill-motor-powered DP. It bogged below 100 rpm.

AFAIK, no single-phase motor will work with a VFD.
 

682bear

Well-known member
Joined
May 20, 2024
Messages
218
Location
West GA
I'll post my old Buffalo Forge 21...

As I bought it...

20210720_102832.jpg

I had to mount the motor and wire it...

20210825_141229.jpg

It has a back gear to provide s-l-o-w spindle speeds and a 3 speed downfeed mechanism.

It has a Morse taper 4 spindle... I found a No. 20 Jacobs chuck with a #4 arbor at HGR for $20...

20220908_133649.jpg

-Bear
 

Outlawmws

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 9, 2011
Messages
39,019
Location
The Badlands
Once again, without some reduction, a treadmill motor--and I have a big one (yeah, bragging), still loses torque at low speeds. Today, I was running a #10-24 tap into 1/4" 6061 aluminum with my treadmill-motor-powered DP. It bogged below 100 rpm.

AFAIK, no single-phase motor will work with a VFD.

Mine does not bog down with a 4 or even a 6" hole saw into steel or aluminum. Its also a slower 3400 RPM motor, (vs 6000) and has a 3" driving a 4" pulley

I've run it down to just a few RPM and I cannot stop it with my grip.

It will slow under initial load, and then pick right back up. That is what the MC30 circuit is designed to do.
 

crguy

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 24, 2016
Messages
2,631
Location
SW Washington
I'll post my old Buffalo Forge 21...

As I bought it...

20210720_102832.jpg

I had to mount the motor and wire it...

20210825_141229.jpg

It has a back gear to provide s-l-o-w spindle speeds and a 3 speed downfeed mechanism.

It has a Morse taper 4 spindle... I found a No. 20 Jacobs chuck with a #4 arbor at HGR for $20...

20220908_133649.jpg

-Bear
Looks to be in great condition. You hardly ever see those big drills with a nice table like that.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom