New fast EV chargers and three phase power

mike93lx · May 1, 2026

William Payne said:
The problem with that statement is there are people doing that. There are people with full machine shops in their garage.

That is an actual fact.

People can deny it all they like but there are a whole bunch of shop tour videos on YouTube and people on machining forums doing just that.

The number of people doing that, or even claiming to, are completely immaterial and not representative of normal.

Starting out with a 30hp lathe? Shenanigans

I would also bet most of those home machine shops that end up at they scale are not properly zoned. Is that an infrastructure problem? As a society, we simple do not need that infrastructure in residential settings. It would be a massive waste of money, especially as spread out as the US is.

If you have data that shows it is impeding small business growth, I would be really interested to see it

William Payne · May 1, 2026

mike93lx said:
The number of people doing that, or even claiming to, are completely immaterial and not representative of normal.

Starting out with a 30hp lathe? Shenanigans

I would also bet most of those home machine shops that end up at they scale are not properly zoned. Is that an infrastructure problem? As a society, we simple do not need that infrastructure in residential settings. It would be a massive waste of money.

Except for the shenanigans part. I don’t disagree with you.

I came to learn, not to debate.

But….

Reality and what people try to do are very different things. I stated that on machining and welding forums people wanting to start a shop in their garage and not having access to 3 phase power is a common problem that I see people in the USA starting threads about.

That is a fact. Those threads are very common.

Now the reality of how infrastructure is distributed and why and whether it would be practical to do or not is a completely different story entirely.

As you state many of those people probably aren’t living in places with appropriate zoning.

But when has that ever stopped anyone from attempting it?

There are lots of different businesses hidden in garages or spare rooms that probably shouldn’t be in residential neighbourhoods but people do it anyway.

Just because something is unrealistic doesn’t mean someone doesn’t try to do it.

A not insignificant number of people want to start their own business. Many of them can’t afford or don’t have access to industrial/commercial real estate. So they do what they have to do.

Like this guy who build the extension of his garage around his CNC machine because it wouldn’t fit in the door.

Or Abom79’s home shop

Or old Keith Fenner who I used to watch a lot back when I had more time. This was his old home shop before he moved in a proper building.

mike93lx · May 1, 2026

William Payne said:
Except for the shenanigans part. I don’t disagree with you.

I came to learn, not to debate.

But….

Reality and what people try to do are very different things. I stated that on machining and welding forums people wanting to start a shop in their garage and not having access to 3 phase power is a common problem that I see people in the USA starting threads about.

That is a fact. Those threads are very common.

Now the reality of how infrastructure is distributed and why and whether it would be practical to do or not is a completely different story entirely.

As you state many of those people probably aren’t living in places with appropriate zoning.

But when has that ever stopped anyone from attempting it?

There are lots of different businesses hidden in garages or spare rooms that probably shouldn’t be in residential neighbourhoods but people do it anyway.

Just because something is unrealistic doesn’t mean someone doesn’t try to do it.

A not insignificant number of people want to start their own business. Many of them can’t afford or don’t have access to industrial/commercial real estate. So they do what they have to do.

Like this guy who build the extension of his garage around his CNC machine because it wouldn’t fit in the door.

Or Abom79’s home shop

Or old Keith Fenner who I used to watch a lot back when I had more time. This was his old home shop before he moved in a proper building.

I can see why you think this is a problem if you are basing it on some YouTube videos and a few people here. YouTube is entertainment, not a representation of what is normal and common.

The lack of 3 phase is really not a problem with vfd's and phase converters. Would having 3 phase make that easier? Sure, but that doesn't mean it is a problem.

All those hidden away businesses are working fine on the power available. Why assume that power infrastructure is a meaningful roadblock?

William Payne · May 1, 2026

mike93lx said:
I can see why you think this is a problem if you are basing it on some YouTube videos and a few people here. YouTube is entertainment, not a representation of what is normal and common.

The lack of 3 phase is really not a problem with vfd's and phase converters. Would having 3 phase make that easier? Sure, but that doesn't mean it is a problem.

All those hidden away businesses are working fine on the power available. Why assume that power infrastructure is a meaningful roadblock?

A few YouTube videos and posts here? I’m not talking about what I see on garage journal. I’m talking what I see on professional machining forums. Practical Machinist being the main one.

Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Your logic is like saying that they shouldn’t instal cycle lanes on streets because you don’t know anyone who rides a bike.

dscheidt · May 1, 2026

mike93lx said:
The number of people doing that, or even claiming to, are completely immaterial and not representative of normal.

Starting out with a 30hp lathe? Shenanigans

I would also bet most of those home machine shops that end up at they scale are not properly zoned. Is that an infrastructure problem? As a society, we simple do not need that infrastructure in residential settings. It would be a massive waste of money.

My residential setting has 38kV distribution, with 50 and 100 kVA transformers on the poles. I suspect I could soft start a 30 HP load with none of my neighbors noticing. The utility would, given the meter reports load, but they are provisioning for it.

@William Payne those are exceptional cases, and very uncommon. It’s no problem to get 320A 240V service into most residential properties in the USA, which is 75 kW — 100 HP. Yes, you would have to have some sort of phase conversion if you want to run 3 phase machines, but that’s not a big deal for anyone with machines that need it. (If it's a big deal to them, they're not really serious about it, they're a hobbyist being cheap. Nothing wrong with that, but not what you build infrastructure around.)

William Payne · May 1, 2026

mike93lx said:
The lack of 3 phase is really not a problem with vfd's and phase converters. Would having 3 phase make that easier? Sure, but that doesn't mean it is a problem.

This is what I’m talking about. When you have seen the number of “how do I run this machine?” Threads online that I have and you notice that the vast majority of them are from the USA and Canada it makes one wonder “why?” Or at least it definitely makes me wonder. But I’m that kind of person. Weirdly curious.

I just don’t often see anyone outside the USA discuss the use of phase converters. 9 out of 10 it is unique to North America.

Thankfully and with much appreciation from myself people have kindly educated me on the subject of why.

dscheidt said:
those are exceptional cases, and very uncommon. It’s no problem to get 320A 240V service into most residential properties in the USA, which is 75 kW — 100 HP. Yes, you would have to have some sort of phase conversion if you want to run 3 phase machines, but that’s not a big deal for anyone with machines that need it. (If it's a big deal to them, they're not really serious about it, they're a hobbyist being cheap. Nothing wrong with that, but not what you build infrastructure around.)

Well based on what I have seen while it may not be a “big deal” they sure love to whine and moan about having to do it. Much like taxes they do it because they have to not because they want to.

My logic is simple. We all pay taxes, we all pay for our services. Governments want a productive high growth society.

So my logic is if you want people to produce, make the tools available for people to produce.

I went to a bar/brewery this morning that literally started in a guys garage. Guy makes his own vodka and teamed up with other local breweries/distilleries to open the bar.

If the powers that be want their people to be self reliant and productive and revenue generating. Make it as easy as possible for them to do that.

dscheidt · May 1, 2026

William Payne said:
So my logic is if you want people to produce, make the tools available for people to produce.

They are. Really. You don't hear about the people who just get things done, because they don't whine about it. You're 20,000 km away, reality on the ground is a lot different from what you see on the internet.

William Payne · May 1, 2026

dscheidt said:
They are. Really. You don't hear about the people who just get things done, because they don't whine about it. You're 20,000 km away, reality on the ground is a lot different from what you see on the internet.

Now you are speaking my language. I’m sure it is very different. The loudest voice is often not the most common one. Hence why I always ask questions.

But it still doesn’t change the point of what I was originally trying to say which is that irrelevant of whether the problem is real or not. I sure see a lot of people complaining about it.

Which is all I was trying to say.

People are just really defensive about their power grid apparently. Which is weird because how do you improve something if you can’t talk about it?

That was the whole topic of this thread. Someone was talking about a new charging system for electric cars and the discussion was how is that supposed to be implemented in an environment where the infrastructure does not support it?

That is a very sensible and rational conversation to have.

Yes things are different in different countries but many of the problems remain the same. It makes sense for different parts of greater society to talk and share solutions to common problems.

mike93lx · May 1, 2026

William Payne said:
Now you are speaking my language. I’m sure it is very different. The loudest voice is often not the most common one. Hence why I always ask questions.

But it still doesn’t change the point of what I was originally trying to say which is that irrelevant of whether the problem is real or not. I sure see a lot of people complaining about it.

Which is all I was trying to say.

People are just really defensive about their power grid apparently. Which is weird because how do you improve something if you can’t talk about it?

That was the whole topic of this thread. Someone was talking about a new charging system for electric cars and the discussion was how is that supposed to be implemented in an environment where the infrastructure does not support it?

That is a very sensible and rational conversation to have.

Yes things are different in different countries but many of the problems remain the same. It makes sense for different parts of greater society to talk and share solutions to common problems.

The OP mixed up residential charging with these new extremely high output chargers. Residential 3 phase is not the problem.

Misunderstanding the options is the problem

William Payne · May 2, 2026

mike93lx said:
The OP mixed up residential charging with these new extremely high output chargers. Residential 3 phase is not the problem.

Misunderstanding the options is the problem

He may have misunderstood but he was correct in one part though. There are residential 3 phase EV chargers available. Obviously not in areas without it but they do exist.

mike93lx · May 2, 2026

William Payne said:
He may have misunderstood but he was correct in one part though. There are residential 3 phase EV chargers available. Obviously not in areas without it but they do exist.

Sure. And they don't solve any actual problem for us in the US

u3b3rg33k · May 2, 2026

dscheidt said:
My residential setting has 38kV distribution, with 50 and 100 kVA transformers on the poles. I suspect I could soft start a 30 HP load with none of my neighbors noticing. The utility would, given the meter reports load, but they are provisioning for it.

@William Payne those are exceptional cases, and very uncommon. It’s no problem to get 320A 240V service into most residential properties in the USA, which is 75 kW — 100 HP. Yes, you would have to have some sort of phase conversion if you want to run 3 phase machines, but that’s not a big deal for anyone with machines that need it. (If it's a big deal to them, they're not really serious about it, they're a hobbyist being cheap. Nothing wrong with that, but not what you build infrastructure around.)

I'll make the additional argument that once you have a continuous 100kVA load, you probably need multiple employees to make good use of the equipment.

mike93lx · May 2, 2026

u3b3rg33k said:
I'll make the additional argument that once you have a continuous 100kVA load, you probably need multiple employees to make good use of the equipment.

Getting near 100kVA solo would be impressive

wyliesdiesels · May 3, 2026

theres no way people are starting 30HP motors. you know what the in-rush current is on those? the voltage sag would be extreme and the main breaker would trip. not to mention dimming of the lights. a 25kVa ****** isnt gonna start a 30HP motor... c'mon now

u3b3rg33k · May 3, 2026

wyliesdiesels said:
theres no way people are starting 30HP motors. you know what the in-rush current is on those? the voltage sag would be extreme and the main breaker would trip. not to mention dimming of the lights. a 25kVa ****** isnt gonna start a 30HP motor... c'mon now

on a VFD the inrush is as low as you want it to be if the motor is unloaded.

for example, this came with a 1.5HP farm duty motor, and with the dual 90lb flywheels it needed a circuit to itself to start. also you can run it down to a stall without exceeding service factor amps.

with the vfd on it you can start it up on a suitcase genny in eco mode, but usually it gets run on a suitcase LFP inverter.

Stuart in MN · May 3, 2026

William Payne said:
Except for the shenanigans part. I don’t disagree with you.

I came to learn, not to debate.

But….

Reality and what people try to do are very different things. I stated that on machining and welding forums people wanting to start a shop in their garage and not having access to 3 phase power is a common problem that I see people in the USA starting threads about.

That is a fact. Those threads are very common.

Now the reality of how infrastructure is distributed and why and whether it would be practical to do or not is a completely different story entirely.

As you state many of those people probably aren’t living in places with appropriate zoning.

But when has that ever stopped anyone from attempting it?

There are lots of different businesses hidden in garages or spare rooms that probably shouldn’t be in residential neighbourhoods but people do it anyway.

Just because something is unrealistic doesn’t mean someone doesn’t try to do it.

A not insignificant number of people want to start their own business. Many of them can’t afford or don’t have access to industrial/commercial real estate. So they do what they have to do.

Like this guy who build the extension of his garage around his CNC machine because it wouldn’t fit in the door.

Or Abom79’s home shop

Or old Keith Fenner who I used to watch a lot back when I had more time. This was his old home shop before he moved in a proper building.

Abom and Keith had their shops next to main roads, where the electric utilities already had existing three phase power running on the power poles. I don't recall either of them mentioning it but because of their location their properties may also have been zoned for commercial.

Kind of different deal than someone who's house is in the middle of a residential neighborhood, and three phase from the utility may be a half mile away or more.

Before I retired one of the things I did was the electrical design for sanitary sewer lift stations. They often required three phase power, and they were often in residential neighborhoods where three phase from the utility wasn't readily available. The municipalities weren't thrilled when they found out how much it would cost to have the utility extend power a couple thousand feet to the site, it could easily be in the six figures (especially if the service had to go underground).

jar944 · May 3, 2026

wyliesdiesels said:
theres no way people are starting 30HP motors. you know what the in-rush current is on those? the voltage sag would be extreme and the main breaker would trip. not to mention dimming of the lights. a 25kVa ****** isnt gonna start a 30HP motor... c'mon now

Its not a 30, but here is a soft start (slow ramp vfd) on a 15hp motor. I'm not going to say what breaker/wire size was used for this test but undersized would be a understatement

You could start a 30 the same way. I know guys with 25hp widebelts running off residential power.

William Payne · May 3, 2026

Stuart in MN said:
Abom and Keith had their shops next to main roads, where the electric utilities already had existing three phase power running on the power poles. I don't recall either of them mentioning it but because of their location their properties may also have been zoned for commercial.

Kind of different deal than someone who's house is in the middle of a residential neighborhood, and three phase from the utility may be a half mile away or more.

Before I retired one of the things I did was the electrical design for sanitary sewer lift stations. They often required three phase power, and they were often in residential neighborhoods where three phase from the utility wasn't readily available. The municipalities weren't thrilled when they found out how much it would cost to have the utility extend power a couple thousand feet to the site, it could easily be in the six figures (especially if the service had to go underground).

Thanks for your input. As mentioned. I’m not here to fight over it. I just find it weird how defensive people get about the subject. Especially on a garage/diy forum.

I enjoy learning about how different people and places do things.

Yet for some reason when I ask why something is done a certain way people react like I’m telling them they have an ugly baby. How else does one learn if they can’t ask?

I was raised to question everything and everyone.

William Payne · May 3, 2026

jar944 said:
Its not a 30, but here is a soft start (slow ramp vfd) on a 15hp motor. I'm not going to say what breaker/wire size was used for this test but undersized would be a understatement

You could start a 30 the same way. I know guys with 25hp widebelts running off residential power.

Thank you for your contribution with your video.

Wood shops are another common “found on garage” thing.

I was getting a ride into the city one time from the airport when I was visiting another city down here and we were driving through a casual quiet residential area and there was one of those houses where the living is upstairs and the bottom floor is all garage. The guy had his garage doors open and he was running an entire cabinetry shop from his garage.

That’s the common thing for a tradesman wanting to go out on his own down here. Buy up some tools and get started in the garage.

Stuart in MN · May 3, 2026

William Payne said:
Thank you for your contribution with your video.

Wood shops are another common “found on garage” thing.

I was getting a ride into the city one time from the airport when I was visiting another city down here and we were driving through a casual quiet residential area and there was one of those houses where the living is upstairs and the bottom floor is all garage. The guy had his garage doors open and he was running an entire cabinetry shop from his garage.

That’s the common thing for a tradesman wanting to go out on his own down here. Buy up some tools and get started in the garage.

While there are people in the US who run commercial wood shops or other businesses out of their homes, they're often skirting the law since houses tend to be in areas that are zoned for residential use only.

I once spent a year in one of the major cities in Taiwan for a work assignment. As you can imagine there was dense population, and not very many detached houses - typical would be blocks and blocks of two story structures, built wall to wall with each other. Most of them seemed to have the family business on the ground floor and the family lived upstairs. There may be a little restaurant or grocery store or fish market in one, next door could be a motorcycle repair shop, or a woodworker or a machine shop or a fireworks shop or about any business you could imagine. They usually had either a big garage door that was open to the sidewalk all day or just metal gates they would roll open. It was fascinating, as far as I could tell there was no zoning requirements at all. I guess they were used to the cacophony of noise all day (and sometimes late into the night, some of the places seemed like they never closed). I often looked up at the overhead power lines, they were just a jumble of wires with all kinds of questionable looking connections for the individual services to each building. I wondered how the power company kept things working, I figured they maybe just thought nice thoughts and the grid ran on hopes and dreams.

u3b3rg33k · May 3, 2026

Stuart in MN said:
While there are people in the US who run commercial wood shops or other businesses out of their homes, they're often skirting the law since houses tend to be in areas that are zoned for residential use only.

I once spent a year in one of the major cities in Taiwan for a work assignment. As you can imagine there was dense population, and not very many detached houses - typical would be blocks and blocks of two story structures, built wall to wall with each other. Most of them seemed to have the family business on the ground floor and the family lived upstairs. There may be a little restaurant or grocery store or fish market in one, next door could be a motorcycle repair shop, or a woodworker or a machine shop or a fireworks shop or about any business you could imagine. They usually had either a big garage door that was open to the sidewalk all day or just metal gates they would roll open. It was fascinating, as far as I could tell there was no zoning requirements at all. I guess they were used to the cacophony of noise all day (and sometimes late into the night, some of the places seemed like they never closed). I often looked up at the overhead power lines, they were just a jumble of wires with all kinds of questionable looking connections for the individual services to each building. I wondered how the power company kept things working, I figured they maybe just thought nice thoughts and the grid ran on hopes and dreams.

here's a fun little article:

Capitalism in the cracks: How Japan's microspaces unleash economic experimentation

These spaces are so small that most cities would ignore them. Tokyo doesn't.

reason.com

Stuart in MN · May 3, 2026

u3b3rg33k said:
here's a fun little article:

Capitalism in the cracks: How Japan's microspaces unleash economic experimentation

These spaces are so small that most cities would ignore them. Tokyo doesn't.

reason.com

Yeah, it was a lot like that, although probably not quite as crowded as Tokyo. I've seen some videos of the homes in Tokyo, they really make use of every square inch.

Probably not the place for someone from the middle of nowhere in Montana.

William Payne · May 4, 2026

u3b3rg33k said:
here's a fun little article:

Capitalism in the cracks: How Japan's microspaces unleash economic experimentation

These spaces are so small that most cities would ignore them. Tokyo doesn't.

reason.com

Stuart in MN said:
Yeah, it was a lot like that, although probably not quite as crowded as Tokyo. I've seen some videos of the homes in Tokyo, they really make use of every square inch.

Probably not the place for someone from the middle of nowhere in Montana.

Tokyo has rather unique zoning. They firmly believe in multi use zoning.

472scout · May 4, 2026

OP, don't over think it. Plug that EV into a Diesel (tier 0) 3-phase generator. Problem solved and no pesky gov. red tape. If you're an overachiever go for a lignite generator.

75gmck25 · May 4, 2026

As the OP, please go back and read my post: "My question - Does anyone ever do a residential electrical system with three phase power? I thought that in most areas you only have three phase power as an option if you are in an industrial shop area, or happen to be close to one."

The question came up because I read an EV article that suggested charging faster by using 3 phase power for home charging, and I also found 3 phase chargers were readily available online. However, I thought the article was misleading because it is very unusual for residential service. After my post the discussion quickly branched off into several other 3 phase power topics that have very little to do with what I asked.

I do not have or want a 3 phase EV charger. I just wanted to confirm that 3 phase power would be unusual in a typical residential home. I'm good.

William Payne · May 4, 2026

75gmck25 said:
As the OP, please go back and read my post: "My question - Does anyone ever do a residential electrical system with three phase power? I thought that in most areas you only have three phase power as an option if you are in an industrial shop area, or happen to be close to one."

The question came up because I read an EV article that suggested charging faster by using 3 phase power for home charging, and I also found 3 phase chargers were readily available online. However, I thought the article was misleading because it is very unusual for residential service. After my post the discussion quickly branched off into several other 3 phase power topics that have very little to do with what I asked.

I do not have or want a 3 phase EV charger. I just wanted to confirm that 3 phase power would be unusual in a typical residential home. I'm good.

Based on posts so far it sounds like the answer is a combination of “not normally” and “it depends” haha.

u3b3rg33k · May 4, 2026

Stuart in MN said:
Yeah, it was a lot like that, although probably not quite as crowded as Tokyo. I've seen some videos of the homes in Tokyo, they really make use of every square inch.

Probably not the place for someone from the middle of nowhere in Montana.

I think the more important bit is what it allows to exist. a lot of what made our older cities work really well is no longer legal (residence upstairs, shop downstairs)

William Payne · May 4, 2026

u3b3rg33k said:
I think the more important bit is what it allows to exist. a lot of what made our older cities work really well is no longer legal (residence upstairs, shop downstairs)

My favourite ethnic take out places are like that. Shop down stairs or in the front. Apartment in the back or upstairs.

I was doing some reading on why Tokyo became that way. There wasn’t any money after the war for the government to afford to rebuild. So the locals would get together and scrounge up materials from the rubble and rebuild what they could on their own and they made use of any space they could. So it led to lots of unconventional buildings and houses.

When the government finally had a bit of money to help they just come along and made sure everyone was able to connect to the city infrastructure.

William Payne · May 4, 2026

75gmck25 said:
As the OP, please go back and read my post: "My question - Does anyone ever do a residential electrical system with three phase power? I thought that in most areas you only have three phase power as an option if you are in an industrial shop area, or happen to be close to one."

The question came up because I read an EV article that suggested charging faster by using 3 phase power for home charging, and I also found 3 phase chargers were readily available online. However, I thought the article was misleading because it is very unusual for residential service. After my post the discussion quickly branched off into several other 3 phase power topics that have very little to do with what I asked.

I do not have or want a 3 phase EV charger. I just wanted to confirm that 3 phase power would be unusual in a typical residential home. I'm good.

My sincerest apologies for hijacking your thread. The deviation of topic is my fault.

u3b3rg33k · May 4, 2026

75gmck25 said:
As the OP, please go back and read my post: "My question - Does anyone ever do a residential electrical system with three phase power? I thought that in most areas you only have three phase power as an option if you are in an industrial shop area, or happen to be close to one."

The question came up because I read an EV article that suggested charging faster by using 3 phase power for home charging, and I also found 3 phase chargers were readily available online. However, I thought the article was misleading because it is very unusual for residential service. After my post the discussion quickly branched off into several other 3 phase power topics that have very little to do with what I asked.

I do not have or want a 3 phase EV charger. I just wanted to confirm that 3 phase power would be unusual in a typical residential home. I'm good.

it's also somewhat common to have (or have available) at farms. I recently got a quote to connect to 3ø and honestly with the amount of roof/land available, it'd be a good start on a 3ø solar + storage system. Having to bury a half mile of wire will do that though.

micromind · May 4, 2026

75gmck25 said:
The question came up because I read an EV article that suggested charging faster by using 3 phase power for home charging, and I also found 3 phase chargers were readily available online.

Where are these 3Ø chargers online? Or anywhere else, for that matter.

Sure, you can get ones that need 480 3Ø and a lot of current but what about something that will work on a 208V 3Ø 30 amp circuit?

u3b3rg33k · May 4, 2026

micromind said:
Where are these 3Ø chargers online? Or anywhere else, for that matter.

Sure, you can get ones that need 480 3Ø and a lot of current but what about something that will work on a 208V 3Ø 30 amp circuit?

the one i referenced here will happily run on 208 3ø. I don't see demand for an 8.5kW DC charger. at that size you're better off with a 60A circuit (48A) 208V 1ø EVSE.

u3b3rg33k said:
you can get DCFC down to 25kW
1ø; 200-277 Vac; 60Hz; 134A

but if you plug in a tesla, it's gonna throw ALL that power into heating the battery up to DCFC charging temps BEFORE it starts charging the battery.

tarbellb · Saturday at 1:57 AM

I want 108 octane race fuel at every gas station

Don't call unreasonable!

William Payne · Saturday at 2:34 AM

tarbellb said:
I want 108 octane race fuel at every gas station

Don't call unreasonable!

Haha I like that. That’s my kind of humour. That I can understand there not being though haha. Kind of harder to argue the economic benefits haha.

I’ll go to my grave defending 3 phase electricity but I just wanted to learn. I wasn’t wanting a huge debate.

I didn’t mean to cause a stir. Just different infrastructure that’s all.

75gmck25 · Saturday at 8:42 AM

In response to post #71 - 3 phase EV chargers appear to be readily available. https://evse.net/3-phase-ev-chargers-for-home-factory/ However, the ones I found were much more expensive that the typical 240 volt wall chargers.

mike93lx · Saturday at 9:01 AM

75gmck25 said:
In response to post #71 - 3 phase EV chargers appear to be readily available. https://evse.net/3-phase-ev-chargers-for-home-factory/ However, the ones I found were much more expensive that the typical 240 volt wall chargers.

That entire "article" is Ai-written slop.

rlitman · Saturday at 5:35 PM

75gmck25 said:
In response to post #71 - 3 phase EV chargers appear to be readily available...

The chargers, sure. The vehicles, not happening. Not soon, not ever.

New fast EV chargers and three phase power

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