I wonder if there was a different set that goes up to 1" or maybe higher? Can't remember if I've seen bigger than 15/16 x1" with 7/8 × 13/16 under that. Were these one made before the ones marked with the trufit name I assume?Here is what I believe to be a complete DOE set. The wrenches and holder were scattered around the garage at yesterday’s estate sale.
-Don
Steven 33 said:
I dunno. The "FORD BRAKES" and "6000" appear to be forged into the blank from the die.
On the one side. You are assuming that the lettering on both sides were forged at the same time
Generally the hot blank is positioned between the top die and the bottom die and squeezed together, or 'forged'. Both sides at once. I'm not familiar with a 'one-side-at-a-time' forging process.
I am straining my brain to rationalize a good reason for intentionally marking any wrench one step up from its actual broached opening and can't come up with anything. As we all know, everyone and their brother were making these wrenches for years and they were all made and advertised as 7/16" x 1/2", except for Snap-on, which indicated, oddly, that they were 15/32" x 1/2" in their 1932 catalog.
That one appears that the broaching matches the sizes marked.
Two things. Firstly, how are you arriving at this conclusion from afar? @Ed in Virginia did not report a measurement of the broaching. (Perhaps he will help us out now that I tagged him.) Secondly, the premise of his wrench having the correct markings and the correct broached openings is that there are 1/2" x 9/16" Ford Brakes wrenches. Are there?
I was with you on the single forging, both sides at the same time, but now you lost me. Sorry. Probably flawed critical thinking on my part or something I am missing. How would a "Ford Brakes 6000" wrench, with one side of a die bearing that name and part number, the other side of the same die bearing the branding and size markings, broached with the correct size openings, get "mixed in the wrong batch"? Since it was forged first, then broached, then finished, a forging process mishap would seem to disagree with your earlier position (again, that I happen to agree with), no? If it didn't have the "Ford Brakes 6000" on the other side, then I could see how it might could've been intended to be a 1/2" x 9/16" DBE with double square openings, mixed up in the wrong batch, and broached 7/16" x 1/2" instead. As is, it seems like a die making issue, no?
As I pointed out in post #146, forging dies are not one piece, but consist of two dies. One is attached to the moving part of the forging press, and the other to the fixed part of the press (base). I believe they are kept together as sets, but are not physically attached to each other. Thus, it is possible for dies to get mixed up, as long as they match up well enough to form the part. If the part is completed by broaching, it could be possible that the blank was broached mismatched to the forged-in identification. Or that the die identifying the opening sizes was mismatched with the one using the part number.
Agreed. It appeared to me that the larger end of the 9/16 wrench was bigger than the larger end of the 1/2 wrench. But the photo is not really much to go on.
Any idea on the age of these? I just found some in a bin.I initially thought that these wrenches that I found yesterday might be a Vlchek Auto kit set but after they came out of the evaporust I realized that with the position of the size markings that they were much more likely to be unmarked Lectrolite.
-Don
