I bought a Worth lift......

mhejl said:

Steve's answer was "that's just how we make them". Hell, I'd pay if they'd offer 3 piece low profile arms. The rest of the lift is built like a tank.

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That is my biggest complaint of the lift.
Lack of 3 stage arms.

If all I was lifting was long wheel base trucks it wouldn't be an issue. I'd consider modifying different brand arms to fit a worth lift though. That is the only thing I like about my Bendpak over a Worth....the arms.

mhejl said:

That right there is complete BS because I did complain that the advertised minimum pad height of 4" was really well over 5" and, as others have mentioned, the 2 piece arms aren't suitable to shorter wheelbases like Miatas, Minis, etc.

I have to jack up the Miata and then roll it back and forth to get the arms under it and the pinch welds rest on the main (fixed) arms, not the pads (which have to be removed).

Steve's answer was "that's just how we make them". Hell, I'd pay if they'd offer 3 piece low profile arms. The rest of the lift is built like a tank.

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Yep, I saw your post earlier. Glad I did! I have written off Worth lifts for that very reason now.

I'm just going to pony up for a 10AXLS Bendpak, so I never have to worry about hitting my head!

SeanH said:

Yep, I saw your post earlier. Glad I did! I have written off Worth lifts for that very reason now.

I'm just going to pony up for a 10AXLS Bendpak, so I never have to worry about hitting my head!

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After owning 2 Worths and now a Bendpak xpr-10S-168 I can say it is not as sturdy as a 10K worth. I fully expect hydraulic hose leaks from other reviews and seeing the quality of the hoses too.

Diesel Dan said:

After owning 2 Worths and now a Bendpak xpr-10S-168 I can say it is not as sturdy as a 10K worth. I fully expect hydraulic hose leaks from other reviews and seeing the quality of the hoses too.

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Well, that definitely *****, but good to know. But, the heaviest vehicle I will lift will be my X5, for the most part, and that weighs about 5400 lbs max, or my 2000 F150, which is just under 5k lbs.

Being that I will be lifting low cars more often, and I need the vertical distance, I really need those 3 stage arms and and lower pad height.

Diesel Dan said:

After owning 2 Worths and now a Bendpak xpr-10S-168 I can say it is not as sturdy as a 10K worth. I fully expect hydraulic hose leaks from other reviews and seeing the quality of the hoses too.

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Dan,

in your opinion, is the Bendpak any better than other typical Chinese lifts?

I was all set to lock on the XPR 10XLS or AXLS, with LO PRO arms, and 181" height. They claim 75" rise to bottom of the lift arm where the lift adapters sit in.

I had been contemplating a lift from Stratus.......C10E model, that claimed 78.68" height to the top of the screw pad in the lowest position, which would be VERY close to the bendpak, and was only $2600 delivered to my door with the current sale till the end of the year.

Stratus Lift Here
https://stratusautoequip.com/stratus-clear-floor-overhead-10-000-lbs-capacity-automatic-electric-release-lift/

I'm just trying to decide if the Bendpak is worth the premium price of close to $4700 for the XPR 10XLS with round and frame cradle adapters, vs. $2600 for the Stratus with round and frame cradle adapters? I know its hard to say without using the Stratus or seeing it in person, but I'm starting to get the impression that Bendpak may not be any better than some of the other Chinese lifts out there (titan, atlas, etc.), just has a known brand name?

Any input would be appreciated!

VtecGSR95 said:

Dan,

in your opinion, is the Bendpak any better than other typical Chinese lifts?
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Any input would be appreciated!

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When commercial grade lifts like Rotary, Worth, Challenger etc are in a price range of ** there is no way a lift priced at X is built the same. There is a certain cost inherent to manufacture a certain grade of steel, quality hydraulic components, accessories etc. One example is I had two bendpak supplied wedges anchor that would not set. Drove them down and installed some USA made Hilti bolts that set/held at first torque.

I can't comment on all the low end chinese lifts. What I have done is helped install a Atlas for someone and was thoroughly unimpressed by the design and quality of the components. The amount the arms deflected at only 75% rated capacity were disconcerting to me.

When it comes to these low end "amazon special" lifts I have not and will not buy one or recommend one to any friends or family. I'm not even sure I'd be around for the installation of one incase of failure in the future...let alone work under one. From what I recall, Worth lifts are not ALI certified because of a feud between some manufacturers. However I'd take my non-ALI worth over ANY of the cheap ALI lifts.


Strictly the personal opinion of a "professional" home owner.

Diesel Dan said:

When commercial grade lifts like Rotary, Worth, Challenger etc are in a price range of ** there is no way a lift priced at X is built the same. There is a certain cost inherent to manufacture a certain grade of steel, quality hydraulic components, accessories etc. One example is I had two bendpak supplied wedges anchor that would not set. Drove them down and installed some USA made Hilti bolts that set/held at first torque.

I can't comment on all the low end chinese lifts. What I have done is helped install a Atlas for someone and was thoroughly unimpressed by the design and quality of the components. The amount the arms deflected at only 75% rated capacity were disconcerting to me.

When it comes to these low end "amazon special" lifts I have not and will not buy one or recommend one to any friends or family. I'm not even sure I'd be around for the installation of one incase of failure in the future...let alone work under one. From what I recall, Worth lifts are not ALI certified because of a feud between some manufacturers. However I'd take my non-ALI worth over ANY of the cheap ALI lifts.


Strictly the personal opinion of a "professional" home owner.

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Dan,

I totally agree with you......there is a cost for everything. BUT, there is also markup......and I dont know if the Bendpak is a $1500 dollar lift marked up to $4500, and something like a Stratus is similar without the name recognition?

Likewise, I dont know if a Rotary/Worth/etc. is a $3000 dollar lift marked up to $5000?

I also am trying to balance the "you're only going to use it on the weekends" logic with the fact that I will be standing under it!

FWIW, my buddy had had an Atlas base plate 9000lb lift for almost 10 years now.....and I dont recall any issues with it so far.

Still feeling conflicted!!!

10/1/24. I ordered a 12000CF. I try to always buy AMERICAN MADE. Expected delivery is end of November 2024. Will be installed by me and my son. Only needed the 10000CF. For the money, I feel it is WORTH (see the pun) it for the larger cylinders and beefier frame. I will post more when the job is completed.

RAL said:

10/1/24. I ordered a 12000CF. I try to always buy AMERICAN MADE. Expected delivery is end of November 2024. Will be installed by me and my son. Only needed the 10000CF. For the money, I feel it is WORTH (see the pun) it for the larger cylinders and beefier frame. I will post more when the job is completed.

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I hope you have better luck than I did. I bought one in 2016 and was very disappointed in the quality. They had me shimming the column sections to make up for them welding parts together crooked. Then they got mad when I asked for written documentation that shimming in that manner would be okay. I assume better craftmanship when I buy Made in USA but did not get it with my Worth lift.

RAL said:

10/1/24. I ordered a 12000CF. I try to always buy AMERICAN MADE. Expected delivery is end of November 2024. Will be installed by me and my son. Only needed the 10000CF. For the money, I feel it is WORTH (see the pun) it for the larger cylinders and beefier frame. I will post more when the job is completed.

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After my response above, I realized that I am the OP. Did you read this whole thread? If yes, why would you go ahead and order a Worth lift?

Update to the 12000CF lift I ordered. 9/30/24 ordered. Had a 6 week build date. I always figure on giving a little time for unforeseen circumstances. After 8 weeks I called and was told lift build complete and would ship either the Wednesday before Thanksgiving or the Friday after. Lift received at trucking terminal in SC (from Texas) on Monday 12/2/24. Picked up Wednesday 12/4/24. Install started on 12/7/24 and completed 12/9/24. Not too bad for a 65 year old man, working alone with a Genie lift. Some people have bad things to say. Well, they may have had a bad experience or just did not think things through or read directions. This is one heavy duty lift. I was down to 3 lifts, Mohawk ( this is the heaviest of them all and 2.5 x the price), next was rotary (which we have here where I work) and then Worth. I went with Worth. I am happy so far. Let me be honest, I have only raised and lowered with no load so far. Next I will add a few pro's, con's and notes to date.
Pro's: Heavy duty, bubble between the lines when free standing and after bolting down, no leaks, raises and lowers smoothly, all items needed for install supplied.
Con's: Both cables that return through the left rear hole, on each side, have a slight rub at back of hole. I ordered 2 idler rollers and will fit to lift to correct this. Lock releases are on each side, would be nice if one release on the main (pump) side, Pump wiring has Black, White and Green, this indicates to me 120Vac. But the motor uses the Black and White for line voltage and Green for common. Last, the 1/16" overhead safety cable could be improved on.
Notes: Suggest 2 people for install. Need a lift sure as an aerial platform (JLG, Genie, etc.).
One last thing. Google maps almost caused me not to buy. My gut said BUY. Glad it wasn't just indigestion. You will spend wore money for this lift. But I believe you will be glad you did. Check the weight of the finished product. I believe you will find this lift 300-500 pounds heavier than the cheap Chinese lifts.
Safety: If you install this yourself, Stop, Read directions, Plan each move. This lift is heavy. There are opportunities to get severely injured.

They are definitely stout lifts, I've said they are 3/4 a Mohawk at 1/2 the price.
The pump wiring, that's just standard SO cord and not a Worth thing. The lock releases are made into the carriage and not the column, so I don't think single point release is a feasible option, JMO. My 10K BendPak deflects noticeably more than my Worth did. Biggest CON for me when buying my latest lift was no 2-stage arm option.
Other than the arms, which is a major issue for me, all the components of the Worth were of better quality than my bendpak, pulleys, hoses, concrete anchors etc.

What is the cost of a 12k lift these days?
PM me if you don't want to post it.

Went to the Worth site and didn't see any prices listed. Are they a Buy Directly or Buy Through A Third Party company? Interested in pricing out a 4 post.

I feel I need to dig up this thread and share my experience. I purchased two Worth lifts in 2014 because I was dead-set on buying USA made lifts. One was a "12k" 2 post, the other a 18k 4 post.

Within a year we bent the arm pins of the "12k" 2 post lifting nothing but a 9000# pick up truck (it's all we worked on). At that time I reached out to Worth with phone calls, messages, and emails with pictures. I expressed my displeasure of what happened and I felt that I was sold a 10k lift instead of a 12k lift, as evidence by the photos on THEIR OWN website showing the differences of the lifting carriage and arms between the 10k and 12k lifts. The 12k have a much better design that is common with my Challenger and Forward lifts. My "12k" Worth lift has a totally different design that isn't what's shown on their site, even to this day. It directly matches their 10k lift pictures. Not one single response from them at all on the matter. I finally gave up and we only used that lift for light duty.

Fast forward to today, I have decided to sell the lift and I called Worth to order new pins so that the new buyer doesn't get a "damaged" lift, even though it works fine, you just need to deal with the arms dropping. When asked what model I have, I explained the situation, that I believe I was sent a 10k lift with a 12k tag, but I wanted to email them pics of mine to know for sure so that I could get the correct pins. I emailed them some pics and Steve quickly called with an attitude. I honestly just wanted to buy new pins and I wanted the correct part, that's all I wanted, I wasn't looking for any responsibility from them for the damaged pins. He went off on me on why I have a problem with his "12k" lift, and wouldn't listen to reason whatsoever. His own website has a different picture of the 12k lift; his 9k & 10k lift are of one design, and his 12k and 15k show another design of arm and carriage. He refused to listen, literally called me weird and told me to go somewhere else. He said over and over he didn't know what my problem was. I didn't have a "problem", I was confused by why his "12k" lift failed lifting a 9000# truck, and his own website shows a totally different lift for the 12k option. Proof in my mind that they screwed up and labeled the lift incorrectly. He just refused to hear what I was saying totally.

I HIGHLY recommend that NOBODY deal with these people. Although my 4 post lift has worked flawlessly daily for over 10 years, he refused to listen to my concerns and insulted me on the phone when I tried to explain clearly why I was questioning the lift I had. My goal was simply to supply them with correct information the best that I could so I could get the correct parts, and they flat refused to deal with me.

How's that for customer service?

If anyone is looking to get a 12k two post lift then you'll want to pass on the Worth lift, it's a crappy design that won't hold up. Their 15k lift appears to have proper lift arm construction for the rated weight, but not the 12k. Then you'll have to deal with attitude if you ever actually need anything from them....

DZL JIM said:

I feel I need to dig up this thread and share my experience. I purchased two Worth lifts in 2014 because I was dead-set on buying USA made lifts. One was a "12k" 2 post, the other a 18k 4 post.

Within a year we bent the arm pins of the "12k" 2 post lifting nothing but a 9000# pick up truck (it's all we worked on). At that time I reached out to Worth with phone calls, messages, and emails with pictures. I expressed my displeasure of what happened and I felt that I was sold a 10k lift instead of a 12k lift, as evidence by the photos on THEIR OWN website showing the differences of the lifting carriage and arms between the 10k and 12k lifts. The 12k have a much better design that is common with my Challenger and Forward lifts. My "12k" Worth lift has a totally different design that isn't what's shown on their site, even to this day. It directly matches their 10k lift pictures. Not one single response from them at all on the matter. I finally gave up and we only used that lift for light duty.

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That's odd, we lifted several diesel crewcabs on my 10k and never had an issue like that. However, with that kind of customer service, I can understand your frustration.

Diesel Dan said:

That's odd, we lifted several diesel crewcabs on my 10k and never had an issue like that. However, with that kind of customer service, I can understand your frustration.

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The pics in post #61 on page 2 here show lift arms that are STOUT. Those are what they show to use on their 12k and 15k lifts, but he states in his post it's a 10k lift. ????? So HE has proper built arms on a 10k lift but I get sh!t arms on a 12k lift that are weaker than his. Does your arm design match those in post #61? Or like mine below? Note the loading of the pin.

DZL JIM said:

The pics in post #61 on page 2 here show lift arms that are STOUT. Those are what they show to use on their 12k and 15k lifts, but he states in his post it's a 10k lift. ????? So HE has proper built arms on a 10k lift but I get sh!t arms on a 12k lift that are weaker than his. Does your arm design match those in post #61? Or like mine below? Note the loading of the pin.

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Both my lifts were like the pic in post #61.
Both were 10k, one a floor plate model and one a clear floor, extra wide.
I will try to find old pics because both lifts were sold when we moved over the years. Currently have a bendpak xpr-10s-168.

Diesel Dan said:

Both my lifts were like the pic in post #61.
Both were 10k, one a floor plate model and one a clear floor, extra wide.
I will try to find old pics because both lifts were sold when we moved over the years. Currently have a bendpak xpr-10s-168.

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Thanks, but if yours are like post #61, that tells me all I need. They obviously changed their design to a better arm design since 2013, and he didn't want anything to do with me knowing my issue was his fault all along.

DZL JIM said:

Thanks, but if yours are like post #61, that tells me all I need. They obviously changed their design to a better arm design since 2013, and he didn't want anything to do with me knowing my issue was his fault all along.

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Did a quick look through their website and don't see any good pics of arms. It honestly looks identical, or possibly less info, than what it was like in 2008. With my mix of vehicles at least one pair of 3 stage arms are a must now. That's what stopped me pursuing another worth back in 2017.

It looks like your arms raise the shear point of the lower pin interface a couple inches vs my old arms. However, if the pin goes all the way through the arm tubing it has more support with 3 points of contact vs 2 that mine had. We lifted CCLB 4x4 DRW Diesels on my lifts and never bent a pin. Possible it was low grade vs an alloy pin but the customer service sounds like it was less than desireable.

Diesel Dan said:

Did a quick look through their website and don't see any good pics of arms. It honestly looks identical, or possibly less info, than what it was like in 2008. With my mix of vehicles at least one pair of 3 stage arms are a must now. That's what stopped me pursuing another worth back in 2017.

It looks like your arms raise the shear point of the lower pin interface a couple inches vs my old arms. However, if the pin goes all the way through the arm tubing it has more support with 3 points of contact vs 2 that mine had. We lifted CCLB 4x4 DRW Diesels on my lifts and never bent a pin. Possible it was low grade vs an alloy pin but the customer service sounds like it was less than desireable.

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If it was just a short bearing section of pin like in #61 pics, you physically can't bend the pin. But take half of the pin and put force on it with the entire tube and you'll bend it, like mine. My educated guess, anyway. And I guess you need to focus on the arms in the pics on their site, for me I can easily see the difference, maybe because I have several lifts with different arm designs I know what to look for. (??) Not that it matters, I tried to get Steve to follow along and explain the differences to prove me wrong, but he had no intention on straightening anything out. Thanks for the insight.

Ironically, I had both those lifts when we lived in NE ohio as well.

It is a shame; the company has such potential but does not seem to have keep up with the times over the last ~ 20 years. The part of the business district it's in has grown but the condition of their building is deteriorating. Years back I recall seeing a low-profile lift arm option that isn't available anymore either.