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I have been working in the garage the past few weeks, organizing and unhoarding a section at a time. It looks worse now than when I started but I'm hoping to have photo-worthy progress to show.
I know that feeling. Make a huge galaxy of **** just to dial back a little pile of ****. I'm in the process of doing that now. Actually I've been doing that since the new year. And I'm slowly getting there.
 

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I know that feeling. Make a huge galaxy of **** just to dial back a little pile of ****. I'm in the process of doing that now. Actually I've been doing that since the new year. And I'm slowly getting there.
Me too ! I have bursts of enthusiasm , then the moment I turn my back and finish some other project I'm back to square one. It's like inorganic weeds. :(
 

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I have been working in the garage the past few weeks, organizing and unhoarding a section at a time. It looks worse now than when I started but I'm hoping to have photo-worthy progress to show.
I hear ya, going through the same process myself. One of my problems is I don't know which cabinet I want to keep and which I should get rid of. Specially the tall cabinets, I like the handles on one better than the other but the one with the nicer handles has the roughest looking inside. I would like to swap out the handles but I need to stop and do some detective work to determine if it will even swap over. In the meantime I keep sorting the stuff.
 

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I have been working in the garage the past few weeks, organizing and unhoarding a section at a time. It looks worse now than when I started but I'm hoping to have photo-worthy progress to show.
I toss everything I'm getting rid of in the trash on Sunday evening. Trash comes on Monday at 7AM. It doesn't give me time to change my mind. I got these at HD for $2.50 a piece. I'm consolidating all my loose cardboard boxes into them. I've managed to throw out a dozen odd boxes into 4 of these.
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I have been working in the garage the past few weeks, organizing and unhoarding a section at a time. It looks worse now than when I started but I'm hoping to have photo-worthy progress to show.
Now, when I hear the word "hoarding" it truly sends a shiver down my spine. Hoarding- bad. Keeping important stuff- good
I've watched a few episodes of (I think its called?) "Swedish Death Cleaning" and yes there is a point to culling stuff.
My better half insists on her philosophy of " if you haven't used it in the last year , let it go".
, but- 10 years ago I had a few electric ceiling fans installed ( we can't legally do mains electrics ourselves in Australia) and it worked out to be way cheaper to just use a remote to operate one particular fan, so there was a spare wired switch left over.
Long story short, one of the AC mains speed controllers for a fan went FUBAR recently. Luckily it somehow rewired itself with the controller sitting in my spares bucket for over a decade. 🤷
errrm... no... I wish , but the qualified electrician installed my part. Saved me at least a dollar !!??
OK new rethink, I'm now throwing out everything I haven't used in the last year (y)
 

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You would think I would know my way around these two towns, Well, the roads have improved changed over those years and Glades Road (first east-west road when we turn north from our driveway) has gone from a two-lane road with bean fields and farmland on both sides to a 10-lane nightmare with strip malls, gigantic developments and too many businesses to count.

Just made me think of R. Crumb's old cartoon:

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As for "What's next?", he wouldn't know, he missed your kind of mall sprawl, he left for a village in southern France 25 years ago.
 

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Just made me think of R. Crumb's old cartoon:

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As for "What's next?", he wouldn't know, he missed your kind of mall sprawl, he left for a village in southern France 25 years ago.

That cartoon would have the mall built in 1970's and soon to be demolished and turned into the new Walmart and Sam's Club location here in my suburb.
 

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That cartoon would have the mall built in 1970's and soon to be demolished and turned into the new Walmart and Sam's Club location here in my suburb.

I drove through my old neighborhood the other day. The Taco Bell that was all the rage when it first opened is not a Taco Bell anymore. Now, even the Burger King has fallen and has become a Popeye's. The chain tire shop has changed hands and now a general, independent repair shop. (Something about the name made me think Mexican but I was just driving by quickly.) Things change!

The first Walmart that hit our town in the 90s eventually was old-fashioned and got turned into a Sam's Club, while a big new Walmart was built a mile north with a grocery department, also. I went to a new Walmart near my current place the other day and they were undergoing a grand reorganization, meaning my finding things was a whole new battle. Things change!!
 
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Bob,

You might try Bright Life Direct. I wear compression socks daily and found them to provide good service. I like the cotton ones that are breathable.

 

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I have been working in the garage the past few weeks, organizing and unhoarding a section at a time. It looks worse now than when I started but I'm hoping to have photo-worthy progress to show.
Bob, I feel your pain, for the last three weeks I’ve been emptying the workshop, I’m on the third 8yrd skip and some fella from an auction house has put numbered stickers on everything.
Hoping to get the last of the company accounts burnt tomorrow, from ‘88.
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I know that feeling. Make a huge galaxy of **** just to dial back a little pile of ****. I'm in the process of doing that now. Actually I've been doing that since the new year. And I'm slowly getting there.
Kay, for as far back as I can remember I have been making my mess bigger as soon as I make it smaller. Six years of hanging cabinets and sorting stuff made the garage worthy of a "Most Multifunctional Garage" award from the Palm Beach Post. Upgrading my 25-gallon horizontal compressor to a 60-gallon vertical was just one small step cramming 12 pounds of smelly treasures into a 5 pound garage. Thirty years ago I really thought a 3-car garage would be big enough.
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Me too ! I have bursts of enthusiasm , then the moment I turn my back and finish some other project I'm back to square one. It's like inorganic weeds. :(
Greg, this weekend was a perfect example of my "The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley." It has been raining a lot for the past week and when I went out the front door yesterday I discovered two large White Bird of Paradise stalks had snapped off and needed to be removed. Got out the Milwaukee M12 6" Hatchet chain saw and cut them up. Filled my 4-wheel cart to overflowing (four foot bungees to the rescue) and dragged the cart to the side of the garage to be towed to the street today. Trying to be efficient with my time, I did a 15-point U-turn with the cart. On the 16th pull, the ancient handle I made using my Rube Goldberg system disintegrated. Rather than duplicate the design, I created a new handle using a faux wood aluminum pole from a recently discarded 11-foot market umbrella along with a short piece of real wood pole from the umbrella's predecessor. Having this material does indicate the root of my problem but now I have the handle that will outlive the cart (and probably me. A wind chime tube gave its life for the cross-bar and a bored out 1/2" PVC pipe cap should prevent me from impaling myself (ignoring the un-capped side for the moment). A two hour project that kept me from making progress in the garage cleanup and has added a serious amount of vacuuming of wood and aluminum swarf in both garage and workshop.
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I hear ya, going through the same process myself. One of my problems is I don't know which cabinet I want to keep and which I should get rid of. Specially the tall cabinets, I like the handles on one better than the other but the one with the nicer handles has the roughest looking inside. I would like to swap out the handles but I need to stop and do some detective work to determine if it will even swap over. In the meantime I keep sorting the stuff.
Cody, I would have stopped organizing and spent an enormous amount of time hand fabricating all the parts to make the nicer handles fit. At some point in the process I would put everything back the way it was and save the unique but unusable parts for a potential future cabinet customization.
I toss everything I'm getting rid of in the trash on Sunday evening. Trash comes on Monday at 7AM. It doesn't give me time to change my mind. I got these at HD for $2.50 a piece. I'm consolidating all my loose cardboard boxes into them. I've managed to throw out a dozen odd boxes into 4 of these.
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Leonard, now I feel stupid. Before I saw your post I ordered a half dozen plastic boxes for $10 each. I wanted them to fit my Costco rack so I could get maximum capacity. I'll have to look into this trash thing you describe. We do put a 90-gallon bin at the curb every Sunday night but it rarely contains things I intentionally throw out.
Now, when I hear the word "hoarding" it truly sends a shiver down my spine. Hoarding- bad. Keeping important stuff- good
I've watched a few episodes of (I think its called?) "Swedish Death Cleaning" and yes there is a point to culling stuff.
My better half insists on her philosophy of " if you haven't used it in the last year , let it go".
, but- 10 years ago I had a few electric ceiling fans installed ( we can't legally do mains electrics ourselves in Australia) and it worked out to be way cheaper to just use a remote to operate one particular fan, so there was a spare wired switch left over.
Long story short, one of the AC mains speed controllers for a fan went FUBAR recently. Luckily it somehow rewired itself with the controller sitting in my spares bucket for over a decade. 🤷
errrm... no... I wish , but the qualified electrician installed my part. Saved me at least a dollar !!??
OK new rethink, I'm now throwing out everything I haven't used in the last year (y)
Greg, your wife has the right idea. Unfortunately I need the thing I didn't use for a year a week after I get rid of it. Part of my reason for my current spurt of organizing is to merge shoe and miscellaneous boxes containing parts for our four cars together in fewer clear plastic boxes with lids. It's quite possible I will find parts I forgot I have (our 'new' car is 16 years old). Years ago I didn't feel bad buying a duplicate part but the extra set of splitters for the Cadillac that cost me $80 10 years ago would cost me $300+ today.
Bob, when you go there, do you whistle The Girl from Lymphedema?

@Squankum, I wish I had thought of it sooner. Could have Milli Vanilli'd that over the song playing on my phone.
Just made me think of R. Crumb's old cartoon:

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As for "What's next?", he wouldn't know, he missed your kind of mall sprawl, he left for a village in southern France 25 years ago.
Sheesh, I grew up in the 1950s on Long Island. When we moved into our new home in 1952 there were hundreds of acres of vacant land adjacent to our street. Today the houses of the '50s and 60's are probably being torn down and replaced with McMansions. Three houses on our current street have been torn down and I just learned my next door neighbor bought a house nearby for $1,400,000 so he can move his family in while the 1968 home next door is demolished and replaced with something huge!
That cartoon would have the mall built in 1970's and soon to be demolished and turned into the new Walmart and Sam's Club location here in my suburb.
Cody, the K-Mart closed in 2019 and the building is still standing but vacant. The Winn Dixie supermarket closed in 2010 and it is also still standing but vacant. The buildings have shadows of the signs in the old paint. Weird!
I drove through my old neighborhood the other day. The Taco Bell that was all the rage when it first opened is not a Taco Bell anymore. Now, even the Burger King has fallen and has become a Popeye's. The chain tire shop has changed hands and now a general, independent repair shop. (Something about the name made me think Mexican but I was just driving by quickly.) Things change!

The first Walmart that hit our town in the 90s eventually was old-fashioned and got turned into a Sam's Club, while a big new Walmart was built a mile north with a grocery department, also. I went to a new Walmart near my current place the other day and they were undergoing a grand reorganization, meaning me finding things was a whole new battle. Things change!!
@Squankum, our nearest Walmart is a neighborhood grocery store so it's small. Seems like they have an annual shuffling of the items located on the aisles. Some years it's just moving items from one end of an aisle to the other but other years it's moved to a different aisle. Being old, I check with younger shoppers to learn it's not just me. Six months after the changes, my shopping time settles back to the pre-shuffle days so I try to enjoy the new layout, even though I know time is running out.
Bob,

You might try Bright Life Direct. I wear compression socks daily and found them to provide good service. I like the cotton ones that are breathable.

@captaindiode, thanks for the heads up and the link. As soon as I recover from the sticker shock from my local medical supply store, I'll give that place a try. I bookmarked it in my "Med & Ins" folder.
 

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Cody, the K-Mart closed in 2019 and the building is still standing but vacant. The Winn Dixie supermarket closed in 2010 and it is also still standing but vacant.

They never ask me, but America needs more indoor go kart tracks, dangit!

@captaindiode, thanks for the heads up and the link. As soon as I recover from the sticker shock from my local medical supply store, I'll give that place a try. I bookmarked it in my "Med & Ins" folder.

Bob, I was stumbling around my being-rearranged Wal-Mart today, hoping to find the bicycle accessories area and finding instead, the sporting goods section (which used to be 50 yards from bicycles) and a wide variety of compression apparel, including socks. So that might be an option.
 

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our nearest Walmart is a neighborhood grocery store so it's small. Seems like they have an annual shuffling of the items located on the aisles. Some years it's just moving items from one end of an aisle to the other but other years it's moved to a different aisle. Being old, I check with younger shoppers to learn it's not just me. Six months after the changes, my shopping time settles back to the pre-shuffle days so I try to enjoy the new layout, even though I know time is running out.
Our Blomart changes every 10 years or so. I like that it's fairly static. Unlike Sam's club, where **** moves constantly. I've followed the same pallet to half a dozen locations in one month.
 

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Yah, sure Squankum... Everyone has that equation memorized... Ha, just funning you. Lots to unpack there. I recognize PI and a couple of things. What gets me in trouble is K to the 11th power with a subscript of lower case "e". Same with A to the 7th power and a subscript of lower case "L". What the heck?? I'm lost. Ha. But I only got into math enough to get my toes wet. Especially in calculus. There's a funny looking lower case h in the denominator that doesn't ring a bell. I'm thinking that must be a constant of some sort, but don't have any idea of where to look to find out. Is the picture of the man covering up the rest of the formula?
 

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Bob, long time no speaky... From me of course. I was out in the shop, listening to music, then glanced over to an open toolbox, overflowing, of course, but recognized at least one Bonney wrench... ( I've been reading the Bonney thread
...). Sure enough, I could recognize a Bonney wrench. Lot to do with the shape of the wrench but the color of the chrome stuck out to me. Gadzooks, I have three identical tubing style wrenches... And another wrench, an adjustable, made by Utica...
 

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Yah, sure Squankum... Everyone has that equation memorized... Ha, just funning you. Lots to unpack there. I recognize PI and a couple of things. What gets me in trouble is K to the 11th power with a subscript of lower case "e". Same with A to the 7th power and a subscript of lower case "L". What the heck?? I'm lost. Ha. But I only got into math enough to get my toes wet. Especially in calculus. There's a funny looking lower case h in the denominator that doesn't ring a bell. I'm thinking that must be a constant of some sort, but don't have any idea of where to look to find out. Is the picture of the man covering up the rest of the formula?
The funny H is a lambda. Usually used for wavelength IIRC. I don't remember the formula or the units, but do remember Plancks Constant is about 6×10 to the -30-something, so about absolutely nothing.
 
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The only constant in life is change!

Heraclitus of Ephesus (c. 535 – c. 475 BC)

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@gman007, I like the quote. It rang a bell in one of my calcified brain cells. One of my college philosophy courses included Herclitus. A decade later (1984) we took a Mediterranean cruise and tour of Greece. The cruise took us to several Greek islands, Egypt, Israel and Turkey. Thought the highlight of the trip would be the Pyramids but we were shocked to see them from the lawn of the hotel where we ate rare chicken for lunch. Saw way too many souvenir sellers but we did get to crawl around on the pyramids (probably not something one could do today).
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Turkey was the surprise ending with a day trip to Ephesus from the port of Kusadasi. Ephesus was where Heraclitus was born around 500 BCE. It evolved into an astounding site in the Roman Empire and is where the Virgin Mary spent her final years.
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Bob, I feel your pain, for the last three weeks I’ve been emptying the workshop, I’m on the third 8yrd skip and some fella from an auction house has put numbered stickers on everything.
Hoping to get the last of the company accounts burnt tomorrow, from ‘88.
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Keep at it.

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Steve, undoing a life's work is tough at any age so it's a good thing you're still a youngster. I say youngster because our youngest turns 63 this year.
@Squankum, thanks for the reminder. I bailed on my dream of becoming an engineer and auto designer after a semester of Calculus.
They never ask me, but America needs more indoor go kart tracks, dangit!



Bob, I was stumbling around my being-rearranged Wal-Mart today, hoping to find the bicycle accessories area and finding instead, the sporting goods section (which used to be 50 yards from bicycles) and a wide variety of compression apparel, including socks. So that might be an option.
I turned my Fiat X1/9 into a go kart but only drove it outdoors.
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Our Blomart changes every 10 years or so. I like that it's fairly static. Unlike Sam's club, where **** moves constantly. I've followed the same pallet to half a dozen locations in one month.
Kay, the older I get, the less I like change.

Today turned into another ****** stump day.

The PT Cruiser started acting up so I decided to give it a little love.

The engine stalled several times in the past few weeks and the engine was breaking up at anything over 2,500 RPM so two days ago I decided to replace the plugs, wires and spark module (I bought them two years ago). When I pulled out the first plug, it was covered in oil. Not the tip, the body where the boot connected to it. Did a little Google-Foo and it turns out the o-rings at the bottom of the rocker cover have been leaking and at some point conducted enough electricity to short out. Ordered the gaskets and o-rings for the job and put it back together.

The other problem was the brakes. One rainy day I got in the car and put it in drive. The rear brakes were locked up so I pulled up the emergency brake handle (rare event) and released it. Rear wheels started turning just fine. Decided today would be a good day to pull a rear wheel and drum and give it the once over. I upgraded the front disk setup from standard to Turbo a few years ago but have never touched the rears since we bought it in 2004.

I pounded on the first drum for an hour and gave up. Went in the office, opened the shop manual on my computer and there were not secret tricks. Found a YouTube video and followed that example - PB Blaster on the studs and hub. More pounding and it came off. To my surprise the brakes only had some rust and dust and the drums had negligible wear. Took some CLR and a gray scotchpad to the drum and it looks pretty good.
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I was happy to find no sign of wear or fluid leaks but I couldn't leave well enough alone. I sprayed some cleaner on the brake shoes and all the soapy stuff puddled under the brake assembly. When I got up to get the water hose to rinse it off, I slipped in the puddle and fell to my knees and tipped over onto the wheel lying nearby. Nicked my stump but did the GJ first first aid trick of a wadded paper towel and blue painter's tape.
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Hosed off the ground and then the brake assembly. Squirted some CLR (Calcium Lime Rust) on the rusty bits and hosed it off again. Air gun quickly dried off the area and it was time to put it back together.
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Put the drum and retainer washer back on and used my long assist stud to get the wheel back on. So much easier than fighting one handed to get the damn lug nuts lined up.
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Put the tools away, washed my hand and replaced the GJ first first aid bandage with a much smaller and professional looking one. One the blood stops running, a Band-Aid makes it look less like a ****** stump.
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Pretty sure I'm gonna hurt tomorrow.
 

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turned my Fiat X1/9 into a go kart but only drove it outdoors
Same here. It was so much fun slaloming down the highway in the 3 figures. It was very much like the Burgman, as joy factor goes. I hated the bumpers and the headlights, so they got modded. Disliked the plastic front spoiler, and made my own to keep the front end down at speed. Wish I'd kept it but it was just too needy and my parts source dried up, so it went.

Oh , be careful, feel better , don't do it again.
 

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Bob, the reason I talked about my Bonney wrenches, hopefully didn't go unsaid... Meaning that there was a deeper feeling behind all of this. My thoughts are that I'd like to buy some Evaporust this year and fill my 10 liter (litre?) ultrasonic (super duper cleaner) with something else this summer. If you remember, last year I used nothing but 30% very strong vinegar, in a gallon plastic zip-lock baggie with the rest of the tank filled with water, and it sucked. Mostly it was the extreme air expansion and the tank lid would actually fall off. The vinegar did a great job, and maybe I could've just put a small pin ***** hole into the sack, but I was worried about fumes, being that I'm in a small shipping container. In any case It gives me options, I'm going to try some evaporust this year and see how things go. I have a lot of tools that need my attention, rust-wise... Ha.
 

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I use this with far better results, and a heck less expensive and longer lasting, than Evaporust

Per 1L of Distilled water:

1: 100grams Citric Acid
2: 40grams Sodium Carbonate or 63Grams Sodium Bicarbonate or 30grams Sodium Hydroxide
3: Mix in water. After reaction has completed, add final ingredient
4: Add an arbitrary amount of liquid dish soap as a surfactant

Everything can be found at the local supermarket

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Before and after

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I use this with far better results, and a heck less expensive and longer lasting, than Evaporust

Per 1L of Distilled water:

1: 100grams Citric Acid
2: 40grams Sodium Carbonate or 63Grams Sodium Bicarbonate or 30grams Sodium Hydroxide
3: Mix in water. After reaction has completed, add final ingredient
4: Add an arbitrary amount of liquid dish soap as a surfactant

Everything can be found at the local supermarket
OOhhh !!!! I like this too much to just click the "like" button. Gonna try this out ASAP- thanks !!!
Question 1: does it have any sort of shelf life or do you normally just mix what you want to use at the time ?
Question 2: so the obviously acidic citric acid will react with the alkaline salts ( sounds like it does it fizz when you add #1 and any of ingredient #2 at step #3) so what do you think is the chemical reaction with rust ? My chemistry knowledge is filed too far away in my brain synapse storage system to retrieve.
 

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Bob, the reason I talked about my Bonney wrenches, hopefully didn't go unsaid... Meaning that there was a deeper feeling behind all of this. My thoughts are that I'd like to buy some Evaporust this year and fill my 10 liter (litre?) ultrasonic (super duper cleaner) with something else this summer. If you remember, last year I used nothing but 30% very strong vinegar, in a gallon plastic zip-lock baggie with the rest of the tank filled with water, and it sucked. Mostly it was the extreme air expansion and the tank lid would actually fall off. The vinegar did a great job, and maybe I could've just put a small pin ***** hole into the sack, but I was worried about fumes, being that I'm in a small shipping container. In any case It gives me options, I'm going to try some evaporust this year and see how things go. I have a lot of tools that need my attention, rust-wise... Ha.

Reminder that Evapo-Rust is now sold at Harbor Freight. Also, if you want to clean out the cooling passages of any iron block motor, the same company now brings us ThermoCure.

 

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Bob, the reason I talked about my Bonney wrenches, hopefully didn't go unsaid... Meaning that there was a deeper feeling behind all of this. My thoughts are that I'd like to buy some Evaporust this year and fill my 10 liter (litre?) ultrasonic (super duper cleaner) with something else this summer. If you remember, last year I used nothing but 30% very strong vinegar, in a gallon plastic zip-lock baggie with the rest of the tank filled with water, and it sucked. Mostly it was the extreme air expansion and the tank lid would actually fall off. The vinegar did a great job, and maybe I could've just put a small pin ***** hole into the sack, but I was worried about fumes, being that I'm in a small shipping container. In any case It gives me options, I'm going to try some evaporust this year and see how things go. I have a lot of tools that need my attention, rust-wise... Ha.
My recent adventure with Evapo-Rust in my ultrasonic cleaner. They made a dent in a bad situation. Maybe I could have gone longer with it.

 
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I use this with far better results, and a heck less expensive and longer lasting, than Evaporust

Per 1L of Distilled water:

1: 100grams Citric Acid
2: 40grams Sodium Carbonate or 63Grams Sodium Bicarbonate or 30grams Sodium Hydroxide
3: Mix in water. After reaction has completed, add final ingredient
4: Add an arbitrary amount of liquid dish soap as a surfactant

Everything can be found at the local supermarket

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Before and after

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Official factory shop manual instructions for cooing system cleaning on my now-vintage Mercedes-Benz prescribe mere powdered citric acid. So simple nobody uses it?
 
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Speaking about Utica tools... I once went to Duluth for the weekend, and had a friend/co-worker with a boat in a very local marina
He asked me for my help. His boat had two Chevy 350 engines, side by side, in the back of the boat and was having trouble doing an oil change on them. My task was to install a remote oil filter on each engine so that he could do an oil change, himself, going forward. It was a neat experience, and instead of paying me for my services, he offered me the Utica torque wrench that I just used on his boat engines. (It is a pretty nice wrench) as payment. I was fine with that.. I've used that wrench many times, since then...
 

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Speaking about Utica tools... I once went to Duluth for the weekend, and had a friend/co-worker with a boat in a very local marina
He asked me for my help. His boat had two Chevy 350 engines, side by side, in the back of the boat and was having trouble doing an oil change on them. My task was to install a remote oil filter on each engine so that he could do an oil change, himself, going forward. It was a neat experience, and instead of paying me for my services, he offered me the Utica torque wrench that I just used on his boat engines. (It is a pretty nice wrench) as payment. I was fine with that.. I've used that wrench many times, since then...
Compared to the cost of the tool (your traded labor), the potential future value in use of it can be limitless.... You won!
 

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OOhhh !!!! I like this too much to just click the "like" button. Gonna try this out ASAP- thanks !!!
Question 1: does it have any sort of shelf life or do you normally just mix what you want to use at the time ?
Question 2: so the obviously acidic citric acid will react with the alkaline salts ( sounds like it does it fizz when you add #1 and any of ingredient #2 at step #3) so what do you think is the chemical reaction with rust ? My chemistry knowledge is filed too far away in my brain synapse storage system to retrieve.
Apologies, just saw this…

1. I mix what I need and use it. But I did store the used mix and it still worked after several weeks later.

2. I do not know. All I can tell you is that it works great… I got it from this guy. Maybe you can get your answer from him. He goes into a lot of detail in his video:

 

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Reminder that Evapo-Rust is now sold at Harbor Freight. Also, if you want to clean out the cooling passages of any iron block motor, the same company now brings us ThermoCure.

That's exact where I went the other day. It's funny that I was receiving a text on my way there. I was less than a block away at that point. Once there, i bought what I did, and the cashier searched for a coupon on his personal cell phone . Once there, the cashier said to me that my itc was going to expire in five days, would I like to renew. Of course. Then he offered me a Two year deal with 15 bucks more. I declined with a smile, just one year at a time, thank you. All in all it was a great visit, since
I haven't been there in a while.
 
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Same here. It was so much fun slaloming down the highway in the 3 figures. It was very much like the Burgman, as joy factor goes. I hated the bumpers and the headlights, so they got modded. Disliked the plastic front spoiler, and made my own to keep the front end down at speed. Wish I'd kept it but it was just too needy and my parts source dried up, so it went.

Oh , be careful, feel better , don't do it again.
Kay, I felt the same way. Mine was a '74 so it had the small bumperettes and huge rubber blocks front and rear. The front spoiler was small but it was metal. I gave mine away because the rear shock towers were rusting and it needed a clutch master cylinder. I have a flag on Bring-A-Trailer to notify me whenever an X1/9 goes on the block. Even a worn-out one is bringing $4,000.

I am always shocked when I hurt myself but then I realize I'm old and I never paid attention during the safety instruction presentations. I only mastered the seat belt buckle thing after reaching Platinum Frequent Flyer status.
Bob, glad to see you working on the car, please quit hurting yourself!
Joel, I am afraid to create a list of the things the cars need because it will just depress me. As long as my injuries don't involve an ER visit, I'm good. Actually, it's more like ER visits requiring Liane driving me there.
The PT required blood sacrifice when working on it or it won't work right when done. You have achieved the goal.
Cody, I could be wrong but I think every project I tackle requires a blood sacrifice.
Bob, do you have an air hammer and one of these bits?

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Any cheap air hammer will do. Buzz the hammer around between the studs, breaks up the corrosion/bonding going on.
@Squankum, of course I have one of those and a cheap Harbor Freight air hammer acquired when HF had order forms in Hot Rod. As I was taping up my stump I thought about pulling it out of the deep drawer in my tool chest. Really dumb not to get it out at the same time I brought the pneumatic jack and long nose air gun out and pulled out the air hose with the 3-tool whip.
Bob, I'm an electrical tape vs blue masking when it comes to shop bandages...you can really cinch it down to put pressure on the wound.

Hopefully your recovery time is minor! Good work on the PT Cruiser.
Marc, I chose the blue (or yellow) tape because I have wide rolls of those. My electrical tape is narrow so I need more of it to tape myself back together.

I'm down to a cloth Band-Aid clone with a generous dab of tincture of Iodine. The area has already gone through the itchy stage, telling me it's healing.
Bob
Great job on the brakes!
@gman007, thank you kind sir!
Bob, the reason I talked about my Bonney wrenches, hopefully didn't go unsaid... Meaning that there was a deeper feeling behind all of this. My thoughts are that I'd like to buy some Evaporust this year and fill my 10 liter (litre?) ultrasonic (super duper cleaner) with something else this summer. If you remember, last year I used nothing but 30% very strong vinegar, in a gallon plastic zip-lock baggie with the rest of the tank filled with water, and it sucked. Mostly it was the extreme air expansion and the tank lid would actually fall off. The vinegar did a great job, and maybe I could've just put a small pin ***** hole into the sack, but I was worried about fumes, being that I'm in a small shipping container. In any case It gives me options, I'm going to try some evaporust this year and see how things go. I have a lot of tools that need my attention, rust-wise... Ha.
Rick, I loaded my ultrasonic tank with Evaporust several years ago but I haven't had any rusty tools that needed my attention recently. I suspect it's reaching the end of its useful life but I'm going to ignore it for now.
I use this with far better results, and a heck less expensive and longer lasting, than Evaporust

Per 1L of Distilled water:

1: 100grams Citric Acid
2: 40grams Sodium Carbonate or 63Grams Sodium Bicarbonate or 30grams Sodium Hydroxide
3: Mix in water. After reaction has completed, add final ingredient
4: Add an arbitrary amount of liquid dish soap as a surfactant

Everything can be found at the local supermarket

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Before and after

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@wachuko, I'm adding those ingredients to my shopping list for the next time I'm in Walmart. I get a little more frugal every passing year.
OOhhh !!!! I like this too much to just click the "like" button. Gonna try this out ASAP- thanks !!!
Question 1: does it have any sort of shelf life or do you normally just mix what you want to use at the time ?
Question 2: so the obviously acidic citric acid will react with the alkaline salts ( sounds like it does it fizz when you add #1 and any of ingredient #2 at step #3) so what do you think is the chemical reaction with rust ? My chemistry knowledge is filed too far away in my brain synapse storage system to retrieve.
Greg, having read ahead, the video shows this mixture to be much better than anything I've used, including Evaporust.
Reminder that Evapo-Rust is now sold at Harbor Freight. Also, if you want to clean out the cooling passages of any iron block motor, the same company now brings us ThermoCure.

@Squankum, it appears Walmart has it for a lower price. Walmart also appeals to me because their shipping fee is $2 less (and $8.99 less if I add another item for $11). I've become more hermit-like so free delivery to my front door is a very attractive option.
My recent adventure with Evapo-Rust in my ultrasonc cleaner. They made a dent in a bad situation. Maybe I could have gone longer with it.

I purchased so many new tools earlier in my life that I haven't had to resort to de-rusting used ones.
Official factory shop manual instructions for cooing system cleaning on my now-vintage Mercedes-Benz prescribe mere powdered citric acid. So simple nobody uses it?
I bought some bottled citric acid based de-rusting stuff years ago and was not impressed. Probably because my go-to de-rusting chemical has been liquid pool acid.
Speaking about Utica tools... I once went to Duluth for the weekend, and had a friend/co-worker with a boat in a very local marina
He asked me for my help. His boat had two Chevy 350 engines, side by side, in the back of the boat and was having trouble doing an oil change on them. My task was to install a remote oil filter on each engine so that he could do an oil change, himself, going forward. It was a neat experience, and instead of paying me for my services, he offered me the Utica torque wrench that I just used on his boat engines. (It is a pretty nice wrench) as payment. I was fine with that.. I've used that wrench many times, since then...
Rick, you have sent me down a rabbit hole. I did a search for "Utica torque wrench" and ended up on eBay looking at this collection of Utica ratcheting flare nut torque wrenches:
Utica Ratcheting Flare Nut Torque Wrenches.jpg
I don't need these but $299 for 14 torque wrenches seems like a good deal.
Compared to the cost of the tool (your traded labor), the potential future value in use of it can be limitless.... You won!
Gerry, it is better than my usual deal. I've been told "Nothing is too good for you..." so I get nothing for my traded labor.
Apologies, just saw this…

1. I mix what I need and use it. But I did store the used mix and it still worked after several weeks later.

2. I do not know. All I can tell you is that it works great… I got it from this guy. Maybe you can get your answer from him. He goes into a lot of detail in his video:

@wachuko, with the ingredients being relatively cheap, I wouldn't feel horrible throwing out a batch. The Evaporust, not so much.
That's exact where I went the other day. It's funny that I was receiving a text on my way there. I was less than a block away at that point. Once there, i bought what I did, and the cashier searched for a coupon on his personal cell phone . Once there, the cashier said to me that my itc was going to expire in five days, would I like to renew. Of course. Then he offered me a Two year deal with 15 bucks more. I declined with a smile, just one year at a time, thank you. All in all it was a great visit, since
I haven't been there in a while.
Rick, I get a lot of e-mails from Harbor Freight, telling me they miss me. It's a bad place for a cheap tool junkie like me. I go in for a $5 item and spend $150.
 
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