Private Lugnutz
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Wow. Talk about a bad batch. Broken in almost exactly the same place and shape.
Pliers; How Many Is Too Many?
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Beerhippie
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Oh, you mean those numbers!
I was a little embarrassed to be caught looking that high up the legs....
Beerhippie
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Did I double-post these? Must have--that's the other end of the rule....Those look familiar.
Mintgrun
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Yes, the 45 degree vial is hiding in order to show the branding on top of the level. The Craftsman logo is on the far end of my folding ruler. I had to resist the temptation to bend the top grip of the pliers.
There's a lot of leverage on that little pin's head. The fact that they broke proves that it's a hardened pin. Maybe just a little too brittle-hard. They still function though!
There's a lot of leverage on that little pin's head. The fact that they broke proves that it's a hardened pin. Maybe just a little too brittle-hard. They still function though!
Beerhippie
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Damn--you got me!
Well played, sir!
I don't know who the manufacturer of those torpedo levels was, but I have them in two or three brands... this P&C, an Exact... some other brand somewhere...
But you force my hand:
Got a Douglas Radiator Specialty Co. #510?
A little field research while passing through Pahrump NV. The suspect slipjoints at bottom and McKaig-Hatch at top for comparison. What caught my eye was the nose, which is consistently snubbed on the Forged Steel USA in-a-triangle pliers. The MH almost share this feature.
Private Lugnutz
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Of all the plier manufacturers I can think of off the top of my head, McKaig-Hatch and Harrold are not the ones who have any right to be snubbing their nose at anyone, in my opinion. 
d42jeep
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For your viewing pleasure:
A small pair of CeeTee Jamestown. No other markings.
The bolts are intact on my 10” pliers and the handles aren’t bent but one bolt is installed backwards.Those look familiar.
-Don
d42jeep
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It’s certainly possible although Barcalo was pretty good about marking with their brand. These may be useful. 
-Don
-Don
four.cycle
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McKaig Hatch 6-inch slip joint pliers (now residing in Albany, California.)
jeffmoss26
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d42jeep
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I picked these up at a yard sale today thinking that they would be another Harrold example and I didn’t notice the odd brand until I looked more closely at them at home. 
-Don
-Don
four.cycle
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I can't make sense of the stamping...
IND - S - BELT ?
POH. PA. ?
Mintgrun
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PGH is short for Pittsburgh.
RTM
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Ind-8-be ‘T
I can't make sense of the stamping...
IND - S - BELT ?
POH. PA. ?
Is what I see
What a great find!I picked these up at a yard sale today thinking that they would be another Harrold example and I didn’t notice the odd brand until I looked more closely at them at home.
-Don
There are two currently on eBay.
Clearly, Harrold did contract work - here is a pair stamped Fuller, also on eBay.
Here is a 1962 Industrial Safety Belt Corp (Pittsburgh PA) advertisement and 1957 ad. Leather tool pouch, also on eBay. Not sure if that is actually IND-S-BELT; I’d sort of expected machinery-driving pulley belts.
(OMG, this is the FOURTH time rewriting an edit from scratch - wasn’t saving)
eBay shows that ISB Corp marketed to kids:
camping kit, and another later and more complete camping kit.
Carpenter’s-type tool belt.
Lineman’s-type belt package, listing pliers in original contents. The illustration shows Harrold-looking pliers, like the ones Sears marketed under Happi Time label.
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four.cycle
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^ so... who made the "Happy Time"? Harrold?
And you're saying Harrold also made the pliers for "Industrial Safety Belt Corp." as well?
The only address I am able to find for "Industrial Safety Belt Corp" is 160Q Mary Street, Pittsburgh, PA 17215, which does not appear to be a valid address.
And you're saying Harrold also made the pliers for "Industrial Safety Belt Corp." as well?
The only address I am able to find for "Industrial Safety Belt Corp" is 160Q Mary Street, Pittsburgh, PA 17215, which does not appear to be a valid address.
Yes (there’s a pair marked “Harrold” below four pairs of “Happy Time” in my pic). And yes, that’s what I’m suggesting. The only weak link is connecting “IND-S-BELT PGH PA” to “Industrial Safety Belt Corporation, Pittsburgh, PA,” which doesn’t seem unlikely to me. I’d like to see the abbreviation definitively printed in conjunction with the full company name, on something like the ad or toy set packaging, but I can very much understand how and why Harrold could have created a one-off abbreviation not used by ISBC on its roomy-flat-surface leather goods.
Was that address from an OCR scan, possibly? “Q” misread for “0”? I found a Mary Street (and a Mary Ann Street) in Pittsburgh (Southside Flats), but the numbering scheme doesn’t match up well, unless maybe 1600 Mary Street was valid in the past. 1600 Marys Ave Sharpsburg just north of Pittsburgh is an industrial-looking building.The only address I am able to find for "Industrial Safety Belt Corp" is 160Q Mary Street, Pittsburgh, PA 17215, which does not appear to be a valid address.
Also on Bizapedia a “Hyman Caplan.”
And an obsolete NATO CAGE code 04988 for Industrial Safety Belt Company in Pittsburgh.
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Mintgrun
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I suspect that reads FULLER'S, but the apostrophe and the top of the S missed the tool; not to be confused with FULLER tools that were made in Japan.
Here is A-A's page on FULLER (Japanese) pliers.
Coincidentally, while shopping at Habitat last week, I found a nice pair of FULLER pliers and set them down to dig through the wrench bins and then forgot to buy them. I have a few other FULLER pliers (Japanese) but these were thin-nosed slip-joints and I don't have that style (so, clearly I do not have enough FULLER pliers). They looked like these (taken from A-A).
Tom
Mintgrun
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I wonder too.
A-A explains the New York based FULLER tool company's association with Japanese makers and also their use of other off-shore manufacturers in their write up on the company.
I have seen other pliers marked FULLER'S, but have yet to figure out why they're marked that way.
A-A explains the New York based FULLER tool company's association with Japanese makers and also their use of other off-shore manufacturers in their write up on the company.
I have seen other pliers marked FULLER'S, but have yet to figure out why they're marked that way.
RTM
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How about 1601 Mary, in 15215, Sharpsburg, which still doesn’t work on modern maps, both in PGH or Sharpsburg.
From
U.S. Industrial Directory
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1963 book puts them here. 568 s aiken
Electronic/sources
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four.cycle
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^ I followed "Google Street View" to 1700 Mary Street, which appears to be the lowest end - there is no "1600".
I tried "160Q" but that led nowhere.
That is a possibility - I have seen such before - but I don't know anything about the area and I'm not even going to speculate.
Wow... that's even more skeptical than I am about some things!
I don't think it's too far a stretch to associate " IND - S - BELT PGH. PA. " to "Industrial Safety Belt Corp." myself, but as you suggest, definitive, irrefutable evidence in the way of a catalog illustration or perhaps a trademark document would be much better.
I tried "160Q" but that led nowhere.
LesserSon said:
That is a possibility - I have seen such before - but I don't know anything about the area and I'm not even going to speculate.
LesserSon said:
Wow... that's even more skeptical than I am about some things!
I don't think it's too far a stretch to associate " IND - S - BELT PGH. PA. " to "Industrial Safety Belt Corp." myself, but as you suggest, definitive, irrefutable evidence in the way of a catalog illustration or perhaps a trademark document would be much better.
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RTM
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d42jeep
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Here is that one with two others marked Harrold. 
-Don
-Don
d42jeep
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Chevron marked battery pliers. 
-Don
-Don
d42jeep
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I don’t think I ever posted my Winchester pliers in this thread.
-Don
-Don
d42jeep
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I generally leave tools marked Fuller behind but these Japanese made dykes looked pretty decent. 
If they are made in Japan does that make the black paint on the handles “Japanning”?
-Don
If they are made in Japan does that make the black paint on the handles “Japanning”?
-Don
d42jeep
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Here is an abused pair that I believe was made in Sweden. I don’t really recognize the brand. 
The previous owner seems to have forgotten to turn off the breaker.
-Don
The previous owner seems to have forgotten to turn off the breaker.
-Don
d42jeep
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Here are a pair of Hazet ignition pliers. They don’t have a COO but I think that they were likely made in Germany. 
-Don
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Here is an abused pair that I believe was made in Sweden. I don’t really recognize the brand.
I'm going to guess E.A. BERG. Not their shark logo, but what's left of yours looks like this one. Same part number too.
Very Nice Hazet Pliers.
Tom
Beerhippie
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A couple of picks from a storage unit sale:
Just a couple of slop-joint pliers, you say? Well, yeah--the 276 certainly are, but:
The 234 are compound leverage!
Handles:
Just a couple of slop-joint pliers, you say? Well, yeah--the 276 certainly are, but:
The 234 are compound leverage!
Handles:
Outlawmws
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I have 2 pair of the 234's. Those are really great for things you really need to grip hard. I did a "crush test" into pine wood some years back comparing regular pliers to those and it was impressive how hard they would grip.
Beerhippie
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Yeah, I think both pair are going into the road bag to replace less-classy pliers. I have too many in the shop already!
That is just crazy!!!Those look familiar.
I’ve paused actively collecting Klein (or, at least I thought I had), but yesterday came acoss a pair for $1 that I could not leave behind. I did not previously own 6” linesmen’s, nor with sleeve joint twister notches, nor this old (1-24). They beat my previously oldest (oval nose) by 14-1/2 years![Struggled to post some text with my last post.]
My Klein pliers by age groups.
First pic includes 1939-1947 with struck date codes and the “1857” graphic.
Second and third pic 1949-1968 with forged-in date codes.
Fourth pic is 1965-1970 with forged-in date codes. Last pic I don’t fully understand what appear to be date codes, but I think 1980s.
Going to hunt for a different catalog, because 1915 shows model 312 (diamond special) with twisters in 7-8-9in only.
EDIT - The 1926 catalog calls this model 212-6.
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four.cycle
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Klein
this is everything I have that shows that particular style.
looks like ITCL has a fair assortment of Klein catalogs - earliest being 1926.
this is everything I have that shows that particular style.
looks like ITCL has a fair assortment of Klein catalogs - earliest being 1926.
Attachments
ITCL has the Pocket Guide B (1915-1921), which was what I had on my phone.
four.cycle
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You DID notice that 1917 catalog page shows a 6-incher in that style, right?