Model T tools
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Ed in Virginia
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Those would be for the Model-A cars. The Model-T versions had part numbers (T-1387) on them, and were replaced by the A-17021 and B-17021 versions used through 1939, and then replaced with the 01A-17021 version. They did not have part numbers on them, which is why the measurement comes into play to ID them.It is much closer to 9”.
I pulled the Barcalo manufactured Ford marked auto wrench out of the Barcalo box along with a very similar one without Ford markings. They are both very close to 9” long.
The two Ford marked auto wrenches side by side.
-Don
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racecougar
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Isn't the measurement typically taken from the jaw to the tip of the handle, not the overall length?
Ed in Virginia
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I've always measured overall length, because I assumed that was correct. Key word is "assume."
d42jeep
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I’ve always measured overall length of auto wrenches as well. Many manufacturers mark the overall length on the wrenches.
-Don
-Don
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four.cycle
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racecougar
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Adjustable pipe wrenches are typically sized by the "handle" length, which is measured from the fixed jaw to the end of the handle. What do you mean by "auto wrenches"?
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d42jeep
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The wrench on the left is an Auto Wrench.
This is an Adjustable wrench.
The navy was clear on the difference in 1944.
-Don
This is an Adjustable wrench.
The navy was clear on the difference in 1944.
-Don
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I have these two old vintage looking monkey wrenches that I some how ended up with.
Don’t know if they are Ford made or Moore Drop Forging or some other manufacturer because as you can see they are dull and rusted, etc…so it’s hard to see anything on them to know for sure.
It appears that, in the first picture, the smaller one on the right side seems to, at one time, had a wooden handle that covered the iron handle?
Surprisingly they still do work normally!
Don’t know if they are Ford made or Moore Drop Forging or some other manufacturer because as you can see they are dull and rusted, etc…so it’s hard to see anything on them to know for sure.
It appears that, in the first picture, the smaller one on the right side seems to, at one time, had a wooden handle that covered the iron handle?
Surprisingly they still do work normally!
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d42jeep
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The Stillson pipe wrench probably looked like these originally, depending on brand.
Various brands of auto wrenches.
These are monkey wrenches.
-Don
Various brands of auto wrenches.
These are monkey wrenches.
-Don
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Model A Fan
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Thank you for posting these pics! I have one of these and have always thought someone wallowed it out to fit a big bolt or accidentally ruined it while wrenching. It looks like it just is really a poorly designed one and probably machined out of a smaller sized wrench to make it larger.They do tend to build up around here. The bottom one is Barcalo marked.
-Don
I have a few Ford marked tools but they're not too common. The Habitat store here seems to think they're worth a WHOLE LOT. I am going to work on a WWII Jeep toolkit at some point, and I've already got the air pump.
d42jeep
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I have been working on my Ford WW2 Jeep’s onboard toolset for years. Here is a picture from 2024. 
-Don
-Don
four.cycle
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^ what is the device attached to the chain connected to the hose on the tire pump?
Lassen Forge
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Anything after 1925 has the square tail (or a stubbed square tail) on the wrench.
To answer the question - the square tang was to open the plug on the differential (there were a couple other uses, but I can't remember all of them), but why make an older, less useful style if all the cars, tractors, etc. needed that square socket plug? So anything missing that square tang (or the stub where it is), with a ford script, is pre-1926. Period, end of sentence, thank you.
To answer the question - the square tang was to open the plug on the differential (there were a couple other uses, but I can't remember all of them), but why make an older, less useful style if all the cars, tractors, etc. needed that square socket plug? So anything missing that square tang (or the stub where it is), with a ford script, is pre-1926. Period, end of sentence, thank you.
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d42jeep
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four.cycle
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JoinedOct 19, 2015Messages28,040LocationTacoma, Washington^ what is the device attached to the chain connected to the hose on the tire pump?
It screws on to the end of the air hose and becomes a blower. it could be used to blow up a beach ball too, if you like.
-Don
four.cycle
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^ interesting... was the OEM Ford hose set up that way? or is that an add-on?
I also notice that the hose on your tire pump appears to be inordinantly long.
I also notice that the hose on your tire pump appears to be inordinantly long.
d42jeep
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It is a reproduction hose but I believe the dimensions to be correct. It is quite rare to find an original.
-Don
-Don
four.cycle
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Correct. The hoses will deteriorate over time. The Judd & Leland triple-cylinder pump I found needs a new hose, but the original hose is what you'd call "standard tire pump hose length" - just long enough to reach the top of the handle.
Knowing how these were used, a longer hose would most likely have made the operation easier.
I am assuming the business end is just a standard Shrader connector, right?
Knowing how these were used, a longer hose would most likely have made the operation easier.
I am assuming the business end is just a standard Shrader connector, right?
d42jeep
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Yes. Regular Shrader. There mere multiple manufacturers making the pumps stamped for the ORD (Ordnance) dept. 
I looked around for hours and can’t locate my Ford marked auto wrenches with the tang. I’m sure that I’ll find more at an estate sale.
-Don
I looked around for hours and can’t locate my Ford marked auto wrenches with the tang. I’m sure that I’ll find more at an estate sale.
-Don
four.cycle
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Indeed.
I have read articles in those old trade journals and magazines, and from what I've gathered, up into the 1920s, automobile tires were notoriously unreliable. As in: repairs were necessary every 20 or 30 miles.
Small wonder that Clarence Shaler became a millionaire.
RTM
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But then, my daily commute, or @Snaparxon 's research drive, were far from the norm back then, more like two miles from the farm to church
four.cycle
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Well.... actually... it depended upon where you lived.
My father only "went to town" once in a blue moon, and it was a big deal then.
I can assure you it was a bit farther than two miles to town.
First image: probably somewhere near St. Edward, Nebraska
Vincent, Texas was supposedly somewhere in the Texas panhandle. Apparently the town blew away in the dust storms of the 1930s.
My old man had to get a copy of his Marine Corps discharge papers in order to get a passport.
My father only "went to town" once in a blue moon, and it was a big deal then.
I can assure you it was a bit farther than two miles to town.
First image: probably somewhere near St. Edward, Nebraska
Vincent, Texas was supposedly somewhere in the Texas panhandle. Apparently the town blew away in the dust storms of the 1930s.
My old man had to get a copy of his Marine Corps discharge papers in order to get a passport.
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59Sled
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If I remember correctly there are 2 versions of the Ford scripted hand tire pumps.
There's a doubled script one and a single script.
Picked this up a couple years back. I painted the Ford script white to give it some pop.
There's a doubled script one and a single script.
Picked this up a couple years back. I painted the Ford script white to give it some pop.
four.cycle
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I am having some difficulty trying to identify the manufacturer of this "C.C. AUTO SPC CO" "ALL-IN-1" "FORD" wrench.
It looks as though there's a very faint "PAT PEND" on that center hub, but maybe that's just my eyes wanting to see it.
C.C. AUTO SPC CO ALL-IN-1 FORD wrench (photos: ebay)
It does appear to be remarkably similar to the M.P Wessling, Chicago, Illinois' "LUCKY 'LEVEN" wrench, for which one Cullen C. Evans was issued patent D57323 Mar 15 1921:
M.P. Wessling "LUCKY 'LEVEN" wrench (patent D57323)(photos: ebay)
It looks as though there's a very faint "PAT PEND" on that center hub, but maybe that's just my eyes wanting to see it.
C.C. AUTO SPC CO ALL-IN-1 FORD wrench (photos: ebay)
It does appear to be remarkably similar to the M.P Wessling, Chicago, Illinois' "LUCKY 'LEVEN" wrench, for which one Cullen C. Evans was issued patent D57323 Mar 15 1921:
M.P. Wessling "LUCKY 'LEVEN" wrench (patent D57323)(photos: ebay)
Ed in Virginia
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They are T-1917 band adjusting open-end wrenches that came in Model T owner tool kits.
Ed in Virginia
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I'm sorry, but that is not correct. The square tang will not be found on the adjustable wrenches in correct owner tool kits for Ford N tractors produced from 1939 through 1954. If you look over at my avatar photo, you will see the owner's tool kit for my '52 Ford 8N tractor. Note the missing square tang on the adjustable auto wrench. There is no drain plug for the differential on these Ford tractors. It's a huge drain bolt that you often have to use a 24" pipe wrench to turn after they have not been opened for years.
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four.cycle
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update on the
"C.C. AUTO SPC CO" "ALL-IN-1" "FORD" wrench
and the
M.P Wessling, Chicago, Illinois' "LUCKY 'LEVEN" wrench, for which one Cullen C. Evans was issued patent D57323 Mar 15 1921
both shown above in post #65
Brian, I agree the LUCKY 'LEVEN & FORD ALL-IN-ONE are the same design. I did find a 1922 ad for the ALL-IN-ONE, with a different maker name in Chicago. I appended one from February 1922.
Then I tried expanding "CC AUTO SPECIALTY CO." & came up with a 1923 blurb. With a Los Angeles address, it makes one wonder if the "C.C." was Cullen C [Evans].?
Regards, Stan S.
"C.C. AUTO SPC CO" "ALL-IN-1" "FORD" wrench
and the
M.P Wessling, Chicago, Illinois' "LUCKY 'LEVEN" wrench, for which one Cullen C. Evans was issued patent D57323 Mar 15 1921
both shown above in post #65
Subject: | Re: wrench manufacturer identification |
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Date: | 2026-04-23 8:52 pm |
From: | Stan Schulz |
To: | four.cycle |
Brian, I agree the LUCKY 'LEVEN & FORD ALL-IN-ONE are the same design. I did find a 1922 ad for the ALL-IN-ONE, with a different maker name in Chicago. I appended one from February 1922.
Then I tried expanding "CC AUTO SPECIALTY CO." & came up with a 1923 blurb. With a Los Angeles address, it makes one wonder if the "C.C." was Cullen C [Evans].?
Regards, Stan S.
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Way back in 09-10 I published my research on the MTFCA site on what constituted a Ford T tool kit. I had to know because everyone else just posted a hodge podge of marked tools.
It was an evolution of ever changing part numbers and styles from 1908 to 1927. I do hope someone copied it from there and saved it before that forum changed software years ago. I still have the files on a USB drive i need to devirus.
Most information was taken from old Ford service bulletins of that era. Not easy to find at times.
Ford style tools not marked with a Ford scrypt were probably Ford A tools as it was not specified those years it had to be on the tools. Most of the ones posted as pics in this thread are later model tools into the 40's or early 50's. They could be from trucks, tractors or cars.
My work wasn't intended to be definitive. it was to be a starting point for others to improve on. You'll know its mine because its photos of pages of a notebook. My handwriting is kinda poor.
It was an evolution of ever changing part numbers and styles from 1908 to 1927. I do hope someone copied it from there and saved it before that forum changed software years ago. I still have the files on a USB drive i need to devirus.
Most information was taken from old Ford service bulletins of that era. Not easy to find at times.
Ford style tools not marked with a Ford scrypt were probably Ford A tools as it was not specified those years it had to be on the tools. Most of the ones posted as pics in this thread are later model tools into the 40's or early 50's. They could be from trucks, tractors or cars.
My work wasn't intended to be definitive. it was to be a starting point for others to improve on. You'll know its mine because its photos of pages of a notebook. My handwriting is kinda poor.
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Provincial
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The Jeep tire pump hose is quite long. Longer than one would expect for a vehicle with fairly small tires.It is a reproduction hose but I believe the dimensions to be correct. It is quite rare to find an original.
-Don
The Ordinance Department supplied these pumps. Perhaps they standardized the hose length so they could be used on harder-to-reach applications, like dual wheels on larger trucks? The CCKW comes to mind.
Private Lugnutz
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Hi, Jock. The Willys-Overland drawing for the first gen tire pump, A-6351 ('42, had a single folding bail foot), specified 24", but A-6899 ('43), and A-7511 ('44-45), the most common kind, as Don is showing above, specified 48". The specs, like most specs in the toolkit and accessories, were passed down from QMC (see pic), and then the Ordnance Dept (ORD) in turn, to Willys, and then Ford.
Willys and Ford supplied them at the factory. Willys suppliers were Arnold Haviland Co. (early), and later Fayette Mfg, and Walker Mfg. Walker the most common. They were made to government specs, and the suppliers were also supplying them to the QMC, and then the ORD, in turn, and QMC and ORD were most definitely using them for other purposes. Lots of Jeep guys are driving round with tire pumps that were originally in all kinds of applications, including cooking kits.
I can't speak to everything larger than 1/2-ton off the top of my head, and I am about to head out to the flea market, but I am pretty sure the CCKW's had a DAPCO central compressor system built-in to the chassis serving air through a series of hoses to outlets.
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RTM
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The MWTCA.ORG is available on the Wayback machine, but the search doesn’t seem to work, like not finding Ford or Stanley in 2011. If you can remember more details, you can maybe meander your way there. The obvious place, Articles on Tools, does not have anything of Ford either.
Need to look more later, but my frequent searches are ******* something off.
It was posted as images in the tool kit thread. I am figuring out how to devirus jpeg files on a USB stick without infecting my new computer. My 16 yo IT kid is not helpful again. I'm the opposite of tech savvy.
Then on a whim I did do some digging and found the final draft of it, the original page I wrote up. Stuffed in an old notebook in the storage shed.
All I remembered is I didn't throw it out. Now it's in hand.
What I can do is just type it in as a post or posts here.
Cool?
Then on a whim I did do some digging and found the final draft of it, the original page I wrote up. Stuffed in an old notebook in the storage shed.
All I remembered is I didn't throw it out. Now it's in hand.
What I can do is just type it in as a post or posts here.
Cool?
This is not intended to be the definitive answer. Ford used overstock tools up in kits making all the lines fuzzy. If the regional dealer had two spare boxes of something after the service bulletin changes it was quite possible they ended up in a kit for a later car. Or changed them earlier if they ran out.
All of this was slowly and painfully gleaned from Ford service bulletins of the period. So much thanks to the older guys at MTFCA forum for assisting me in finding them online. I didn't try to document the jacks or air pumps as solid information eluded me. So many styles and no clear evidence which went when.
I have those bulletins on a USB that got a virus, not going into my machine until its cleaned up.
1909 to 1910 kit.
hub wrench, T1349, three hole version
adjustable, T1387
screwdriver, T1902, black wood handle and square shank
pliers, T1903
spark plug wrench, T1904
trans band wrench. T1917
tool pouch, T2336 7 pocket with area for tire patch kit. 14" by 20"
tire irons T2340 listed in all kits except 1912 kit. I don't know why.
1910 to 1912 (model years change in June so this would be late '10 models to early '12s)
spark plug wrench changes to T2356, a cast steel pipe shaped socket with a short handle.
hub wrench T1349 now has four holes
1912 to 1914
screwdriver is dropped from the kit about late 1913? as the T1903 pliers now has it on one end of the handle.
spark plug tool now T2178 socket and T2177 T bar handle.
The pouch hasn't changed much but is made from the cuttings of the roof and seat cover materials. they could be slightly different in actual leatherette material. Waste not, want not.
Now comes up the big change. 1916 Ford kicks off mass assembly line production. Henry "el cheapo" Ford starts really smoothing off little costs. Save a billion one penny at a time.
1914 to 1927
late 1926 is the year the T is kinda transformed into a prototype of the A so a few changes in the car may have changed tool details.
The spark plug and head wrench we all have now appears, T2335 I have various including an older one with a factory tool number, not the kit number. It could have been in a mechanics kit at a dealership.
pouch is still T2366 but now 6 pocket and missing the patch kit area. 13" by 19"
1920 to 1923 tool pouch is bag type 6" by 17". data varied but it carried into 1925 production.
1926 to 1927 production has tools in a simple pouch with two clasps for the top flap. 13" by 6" This carries to the '28 A with one clasp.
This may not be complete. I know some details are probable to be off a bit. But Ford itself was changing stuff on the fly so its a good guide at least.
i do hope this helps someone build a period correct kit.
I had made replicas of the tool roll pouches of each type from black vinyl cloth. Just to see how they fit the actual tools. They were perfectly adequate,
All of this was slowly and painfully gleaned from Ford service bulletins of the period. So much thanks to the older guys at MTFCA forum for assisting me in finding them online. I didn't try to document the jacks or air pumps as solid information eluded me. So many styles and no clear evidence which went when.
I have those bulletins on a USB that got a virus, not going into my machine until its cleaned up.
1909 to 1910 kit.
hub wrench, T1349, three hole version
adjustable, T1387
screwdriver, T1902, black wood handle and square shank
pliers, T1903
spark plug wrench, T1904
trans band wrench. T1917
tool pouch, T2336 7 pocket with area for tire patch kit. 14" by 20"
tire irons T2340 listed in all kits except 1912 kit. I don't know why.
1910 to 1912 (model years change in June so this would be late '10 models to early '12s)
spark plug wrench changes to T2356, a cast steel pipe shaped socket with a short handle.
hub wrench T1349 now has four holes
1912 to 1914
screwdriver is dropped from the kit about late 1913? as the T1903 pliers now has it on one end of the handle.
spark plug tool now T2178 socket and T2177 T bar handle.
The pouch hasn't changed much but is made from the cuttings of the roof and seat cover materials. they could be slightly different in actual leatherette material. Waste not, want not.
Now comes up the big change. 1916 Ford kicks off mass assembly line production. Henry "el cheapo" Ford starts really smoothing off little costs. Save a billion one penny at a time.
1914 to 1927
late 1926 is the year the T is kinda transformed into a prototype of the A so a few changes in the car may have changed tool details.
The spark plug and head wrench we all have now appears, T2335 I have various including an older one with a factory tool number, not the kit number. It could have been in a mechanics kit at a dealership.
pouch is still T2366 but now 6 pocket and missing the patch kit area. 13" by 19"
1920 to 1923 tool pouch is bag type 6" by 17". data varied but it carried into 1925 production.
1926 to 1927 production has tools in a simple pouch with two clasps for the top flap. 13" by 6" This carries to the '28 A with one clasp.
This may not be complete. I know some details are probable to be off a bit. But Ford itself was changing stuff on the fly so its a good guide at least.
i do hope this helps someone build a period correct kit.
I had made replicas of the tool roll pouches of each type from black vinyl cloth. Just to see how they fit the actual tools. They were perfectly adequate,
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Other details. The first T cars were made using the USS standard in tools and fasteners. Post war cars used the SAE standards as it was required for the war effort vehicles. The oldest tools were wider hipped wrenches than the latest and a bit thicker construction.
its not easy to find a few, notably the T1904 spark plug wrench and a trans band wrench that isn't cracked.
the T2356 spark plug wrench is unobtainium also.
A clue when looking at Ford tools is how modern does it look. the form and the script on it will hint towards later '40s production into the '50s or something from the stone age.
The first were borrowed from Ford N,R S model cars before the T was sold.
its not easy to find a few, notably the T1904 spark plug wrench and a trans band wrench that isn't cracked.
the T2356 spark plug wrench is unobtainium also.
A clue when looking at Ford tools is how modern does it look. the form and the script on it will hint towards later '40s production into the '50s or something from the stone age.
The first were borrowed from Ford N,R S model cars before the T was sold.
My small addition: I have 2 Ford tools as well. Sorry for the bad picture - will need to clean them up.
As noted above, many manufacturers made tools for Ford Cars. If anybody has Brownbilt tools, please get in touch with me - I will be trying to put together a Ford set. Thank you
As noted above, many manufacturers made tools for Ford Cars. If anybody has Brownbilt tools, please get in touch with me - I will be trying to put together a Ford set. Thank you
I started out to build a '24 tool kit and bought every Ford tool I could. For six years.
80% had nothing to do with a T kit.
I ended up with 5 actual tools from the '14 kit and found the (probable) proper jack too. My screwdriver was faked, the pliers A and even those were long in the hunt.
We kept it on display many years.
I started researching the tools because nobody seemed to know what a proper kit was. It was always the same mish-mash I had accumulated.
Good luck.
80% had nothing to do with a T kit.
I ended up with 5 actual tools from the '14 kit and found the (probable) proper jack too. My screwdriver was faked, the pliers A and even those were long in the hunt.
We kept it on display many years.
I started researching the tools because nobody seemed to know what a proper kit was. It was always the same mish-mash I had accumulated.
Good luck.
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I just found this thread & thought I'd post my Ford sparkplug/head bolt wrench. I just noticed it was made by Bonnie & not Moore Drop Forge. I had always assumed it was Moore like my other Ford tools. What era does it put this wrench in since it was made by Bonnie? Wasn't the T-5893 part of the original Ford Model T tool kit?
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Bonney among others probably continued to make aftermarket Ford tools even without a contract with Ford at that moment. It was a big market for decades.
Bonney made the nicest looking Ford tools by a margin. Not rapid-fire cheapo number driven production. Compare it to what Shelbylex posted. His is a true T wrench built for cheap, I have two myself.
Moore produced some rough looking **** shamelessly.
That script is later than T era and probably a later truck or tractor version. The head bolt size is the same as the T2335 but the spark plug size is smaller. Big spark plugs went out with the model A getting into production.
Bonney made the nicest looking Ford tools by a margin. Not rapid-fire cheapo number driven production. Compare it to what Shelbylex posted. His is a true T wrench built for cheap, I have two myself.
Moore produced some rough looking **** shamelessly.
That script is later than T era and probably a later truck or tractor version. The head bolt size is the same as the T2335 but the spark plug size is smaller. Big spark plugs went out with the model A getting into production.
Wait,....what are we using for a reference saying that wrench is a Bonney? the "B" in a vertical oval? I know Bonney made wrenches for Fords and they made Z tools and they made CV wrenches that look like spark plug head bolt 5/8 X 15/16 wrenches like their 2525 with the Bonney Shield logo but.....