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Tynee
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Honestly, I don't know much about these tools either, but $350 seems pretty reasonable for a box capable of bi-di control...
txvwnut
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I bought the light duty shop the most expensive Snapon scanner setup available a few years ago. I walk by and see one of the techs holding an Innova much like the one Ryan was given. I asked why are they using that when I spent all that company coin on the SO scan tool. They reply the Innova was easier to hookup and navigate for a quick scan, they only break out the SO for troubleshooting and needing to watch parameters.
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dnschmidt
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The scan tool market changes so rapidly that there are better and less costly options available the OTOFIX (made by Autel) is one example.
casmurbax
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I just used mine the other day to see which token ring was bad on my car.
I upgraded to the 5610 from an older model Innova 3610. There was a thread on here and it appears that the upgrade might still be active:
Innova Tool upgrade program for 5610 Auto scanner
Innova Tool Upgrade Program
I upgraded to the 5610 from an older model Innova 3610. There was a thread on here and it appears that the upgrade might still be active:
Innova Tool upgrade program for 5610 Auto scanner
Innova Tool Upgrade Program
I use an Innova 5610 when doing post sale inspections at an automotive auction once a week. I started using the 5610 in January 2024 and scan between 150-200 cars in 8-9 hours on the day of sale every week. I have a Autel pad and a Snapon pad for back up. I have yet to run across a vehicle that would not work with the 5610 and it is about 4 times faster connecting and reading codes than either other scanner I own. I started using it because it was faster I keep using it because it flat out works.
kaymccampbell
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I've had your scanner's older brother for about a decade. It doesn't ****. I wish it was more like a Snap-off, but I don't use them enough anymore to warrant the purchase. Enjoy it. They can help get you out of a pickle, but you'll sometimes have to use your analytic skills with a lesser scanner.
paulsomlo
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"silicon and shame..." Jeez - don't hold back, Ryan.
If it works, it works. But that Innova definitely would not be my go-to. I much prefer a tablet style scan tool for anything more than a quick code read, or an emergency use and it's all I have with me sort of thing.
I'm not even sure if it's possible to compare features, but I've been happy with my Autel MX808 since I got it. Plenty of features, easy to figure out interface and it seems to not only cover just about every manufacturer but also seems to have updates available every time I turn it on. Some of those updates include new active tests and other bidirectional controls.
Although technically a "discontinued" model, I think it's a great value and AESWave still has them for $250.
www.aeswave.com
I'm not even sure if it's possible to compare features, but I've been happy with my Autel MX808 since I got it. Plenty of features, easy to figure out interface and it seems to not only cover just about every manufacturer but also seems to have updates available every time I turn it on. Some of those updates include new active tests and other bidirectional controls.
Although technically a "discontinued" model, I think it's a great value and AESWave still has them for $250.
MaxiCheck mx808 Scan Tool
Autel MaxiCheck MX808 combines the MaxiDIAG MD802 and the MaxiCHECK Pro into one tool
www.aeswave.com
Radio Flyer
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Yup, I’m right there with you guys. Years ago I took a work truck to the dealer for some warranty work (6.7L PSD). When I picked it up, there was a simple code reader in the cup holder. I took it back in to the tech and asked him why he was using it when he had access to a dealer level tool. He told me it was faster and easier to use when needing to just read/clear simple codes. I went down the rabbit hole and picked up a 5160. I use it for running out to the parking lot and checking codes as triage. It’s also my loaner for other employees who want to borrow it to run out to the parking lot to read codes. It’s so simple to use, I can just hand it to them and I usually don’t get 100 questions about how to use it.
If it works, it works. But that Innova definitely would not be my go-to. I much prefer a tablet style scan tool for anything more than a quick code read, or an emergency use and it's all I have with me sort of thing.
I'm not even sure if it's possible to compare features, but I've been happy with my Autel MX808 since I got it. Plenty of features, easy to figure out interface and it seems to not only cover just about every manufacturer but also seems to have updates available every time I turn it on. Some of those updates include new active tests and other bidirectional controls.
Although technically a "discontinued" model, I think it's a great value and AESWave still has them for $250.
MaxiCheck mx808 Scan Tool
Autel MaxiCheck MX808 combines the MaxiDIAG MD802 and the MaxiCHECK Pro into one tool
Yup, I agree. The Autel options (and the others mentioned) offer significantly more functionality than the Innova by a wide margin. Honestly, I don't see any reason to buy an Innova scanner anymore. Even the Topdon Bluetooth dongle is a night and day difference compared to what they're offering from Innova.
smokey0810
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I’ve got one of their bare bones scanners I bought during the pandemic when most shops were not open. Gets the job done for what I am needing on the vehicles I have. I’d keep it around Ryan, just another tool in the box to help out folks in need.
IRQVET
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I have one of those in the glove box of every car I own. I have just found them as "cheap insurance" cause I know immediately if its something serious and I need to park the car immediately, so something small/ stupid and I can continue driving without damaging my vehicle.
Back when I bought mine I think they were either $139 or $179 each about 6 years ago.
Back when I bought mine I think they were either $139 or $179 each about 6 years ago.
the 5610 has only been out a year or so. It's supposed to be an improvement over the previous models, which I found a little frustrating. Typical example -- Try to run an injector disable test on a ford van with a 5.4. Didn't work. Since I'd run the same test on an identical van a couple days earlier I was a bit surprised by that. These were identical vans, originally bought by a large fleet customer, with very nearly consecutive serial numbers. Whole bunch of the engine stuff worked on one, not the other.
They sent me the 5610 and the 1000. I keep the 1000 in the car. Both tools have been pretty useful and do a lot. The 5610 has way more features then the basic 1000 does. As with all scanners some are better than others for certain makes and models. Some of those tests and bidirectional options come in handy with newer cars. I wish they would have sent me one of those tablet bidirectional scanners as they are much easier to navigate around.
regguy1
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Harbor Freight sells it under Zurich name (the top model is the same as 5610) I bought one with a 25% off coupon. They have on clearance now: https://www.harborfreight.com/zr15s..._kKBLN3Y1Nj1umxAel2HJyP-XUAKRFAgaAothEALw_wcB
IRQVET
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Mine are obviously not that particular model being so new, but without having them in front of me I cannot remember which model I have. It's not a bare bones base model that only shows the basic obd2 code, but the one that spells out in English what is going on. Mine also allow me to scan for advanced codes based on manufacturer. Handy feature- but I'll admit I don't use very often. I drive Toyota's mainly, and they don't break often. But I have scan tool in my Toyota Sequoia, Toyota Avalon, and my old 98 Chevy 1500.
Can't speak to your particular issues, all three of mine worked great and I've never had any issue on any of the cars I've owned, expect a Subaru I sold last year. That was the only car I had to use the advanced/ manufacturer specific code option on the scan tool itself. But even with that- worked great.
Pretty sure this is what I have, thought mine said 4100 but it might be the 3100:
Like I said, I bought 3 of them for somewhere between $139-$179 each about 5-6- 7 years ago?
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Radio Flyer
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I don’t think you can compare the tablet style with the innova. Yes, the tablet can do more, but essentially it’s a tablet. It has to boot up and usually needs updates. The innova is a hand held device that is almost instant boot up. Because of this, it has limited ability. Both have their place.
If I have one in the parking lot with a Check Engine Light, I’ll grab the innova, plug it in and read the usual DEF codes, then make an appointment for warranty. For diagnostic work, I’ll likely never use it.
If I have one in the parking lot with a Check Engine Light, I’ll grab the innova, plug it in and read the usual DEF codes, then make an appointment for warranty. For diagnostic work, I’ll likely never use it.
banieldowen
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Thank you for this! I wouldn’t have thought about this until I read your post. Zurich it is!!!
I've had an Innova 6030p (I believe) on the top of my work tool box for years. As previously mentioned you can't compare them to a tablet but for a quick scan, or quick code clear they work great. My older model is annoying in that you have to click past all the freeze frame data from the first PID displayed, but otherwise it's simple, and easy. Seems to last as well. I've scanned hundreds of vehicles and it still works fine.
zimman
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Almost every definition of a code in the industry is available on Google.com You really just need a reader. Anything other than a simple P0302 misfire would mean burn the car to the ground. LMAO.
Seriously, they just point you in the direction of the issue and it's still all about fuel, air and spark. I don't need a scanner that tells me there is 1.0036ohm resistance at pin65 on the ECU. LOL
Zim
nbpt100
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I bought the 5610 last Spring for $350 directly from Inova and it came with a free Boreascope valued at $99. Even If I could have bought it alone for $50 I thought it was a good deal. Being a typical GJ member, I thought the Borescope may come in handy for certain situations in the future. I have used the 5610 on my VW and on a Prius. It certainly did a lot more than my previous inexpensive autel scanner but not all features it advertises would work on either car. For example only some of the Bidirectional testing worked on the Prius. The hybrid battery evaluation tool was very helpful. My VW is a 1999 and it does not support much of the diagnostics these modern readers offers. It did read the ABS codes and it gave me a bunch of other tripped codes my cheaper scanner did not. My lesson is that if the Car's softfware does not support a diagnostic function from a code reader you are out of luck. It will not work. Like ABS bleeding. I did read that the software updates are slow to come from Inova but I was ok with that as I tend to work on older vehicles. Maybe the more expensive diagnostic tools with annual software fees can get into the VW VAG Com system. But that is asking too much from this tool. This is a big step up from the basic $99 code reader but it is not a professional diagnostic tool. Great tool for the home mechanic. I did look at the HF offerings at the time but I never picked up on the fact that the ZR17 is the same tool as the Innova 5610. It is now on clearance for $270. I noticed many if not all of the Zurich readers are on clearance. That is a good deal for a week end mechanic that is maintaining their families fleet. If you want to get into more sophisticated diagnostics then you have to pay more. But you may likely be in an annual software subscription fee situation. If there is something out there now that is better and does not have an annual software fee I know someone will offer it up here.
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richfinn
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Don't really want to water this thread down but there is this unit available (Launch bidirectional Software on a bluetooth tablet with FREE updates forever or until the tablet dies at least) for under $400 (with discount code).
It gets good reviews on T E Videos (YouTube Honda dealer tech) and can program some keys etc.
Might be worth a look for DIYers
It gets good reviews on T E Videos (YouTube Honda dealer tech) and can program some keys etc.
Might be worth a look for DIYers
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I was looking at the thinkcar. Hows the operation? Run in to any issues with it at all?
FJ 432
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A real stupid question. Does these work on all major manufacturers? Is one better for Toyota versus BMW versus Ford?
It's basically Launch software. I love how it has lifetime updates which is my requirement prior to jumping into the tablet arena, otherwise, I would have held off. I was looking for a step up from the handhelds and with touch screen so I don't have to drill down several menus using push buttons with an itty bitty screen. I also wanted a replacement to the now defunct Toyota Techstream so that I can do ECU coding. Since this has all module scanning, I was able to see I had codes for my A/C blend door motors which I didn't know about. Sure enough, they didn't work and fixed that. I have older pre-2010 vehicles and with its limited available capability, it does the job - no real issues. I'm confident it works equally well for newer vehicles as well. With tablet style scanners, it gives you the data for you to interpret, meaning no dumbed down green/red lights to tell you what's ready. Highly recommended. There's a newer version, Mucar 892BT, a sub company of Thinkcar that's the same but has built in AI that I hope will be included in a future update.
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richfinn
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Launch software (Thinkcar/Mucar/Topdon) works on all models, but the more you pay the more features you get (generally) like programming, ADAS, add on modules for keys etc etc.
If you want an all model bi-directional data graphing scantool with common service functions and no subscription costs the 689bt (and it's clones) is a good deal
And it has a Bluetooth VCI/dongle so you aren't tethered to the OBD socket with a cable like most budget scantools!!!!!
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nbpt100
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It works with the VW/Audi VAG Com. It will do VAG COM key programing and software changes? If anyone Knows.
richfinn
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Don't know about VAG keys yet, I guess it depends on what year and if you need a separate dock for the transponders.
Launch tools will do coding on VAG for things like battery matching/coding in new TDi injectors etc.
Special functions will allow service resets/DPF cleaning/brake caliper service/brake bleed on ABS etc.
nbpt100
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OK. fair enough. The Innova does service resets.
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Check the original review for an update... Innova is offering TGJ members a pretty damned good deal.
www.garagejournal.com
Innova 5610 – The Garage Journal
www.garagejournal.com
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CGarage
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I have the Innova 5610 and it has been great. Does not work on German cars. Need to spend Bosch money and buy a Bosch diagnostic tool. Or make do with a Foxwell or an Autel.
Radio Flyer
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Thanks for doing this Ryan. I have an older one that I may pass off to family member, and pick up one of these bundles.Check the original review for an update... Innova is offering TGJ members a pretty damned good deal.
Innova 5610 – The Garage Journal
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Sorry guys. I jumped the gun on this. Code should work tomorrow.
Ryan, It worked. Thanks for the deal
I had an Innova 5610 for a short time and used it to perform the
alternator test that has you bring engine rpm between 2000-3500
during a 20 second count down. A good reading should be around
14 volts. I did this test on a 2007 Tacoma, 2016 Hyundai Accent
and a 2019 Toyota Camry. On every test, voltage readings were
15.35 - 15.85 volts and a written warning voltage was too High.
What are the odds of getting this high alternator voltage reading
on three different vehicles ?
At engine idle, using a multi-meter positive side of alternator to
negative post of battery I'd get around 14 volts.
I contacted Innova and they asked me to do a different
test with the Innova 5610 that checks different alternator readings
at engine idle, and alternator voltage was around 14 volts.
I suspect something is faulty with Innova 5610 and I'm
hesitant to believe any readings I get.
After 2 weeks and no more responses from Innova, I decided to return the
Innova 5610 and thinking I might order an Autel MD808 Pro.
I'd appreciate any recommendations ?
alternator test that has you bring engine rpm between 2000-3500
during a 20 second count down. A good reading should be around
14 volts. I did this test on a 2007 Tacoma, 2016 Hyundai Accent
and a 2019 Toyota Camry. On every test, voltage readings were
15.35 - 15.85 volts and a written warning voltage was too High.
What are the odds of getting this high alternator voltage reading
on three different vehicles ?
At engine idle, using a multi-meter positive side of alternator to
negative post of battery I'd get around 14 volts.
I contacted Innova and they asked me to do a different
test with the Innova 5610 that checks different alternator readings
at engine idle, and alternator voltage was around 14 volts.
I suspect something is faulty with Innova 5610 and I'm
hesitant to believe any readings I get.
After 2 weeks and no more responses from Innova, I decided to return the
Innova 5610 and thinking I might order an Autel MD808 Pro.
I'd appreciate any recommendations ?
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madmax908
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My Innova 5610 has paid for itself already!
Looking for a used Honda or Toyota commuter sedan. I found a car on Marketplace for slightly below market value, below 95k miles. I jumped on it, as I had missed several other by a couple of hours.
I go to see the car and start my scan with my new Innova 5610. The dash board reads 95k miles, but the 5610 scan of the body computer reads 326,*** miles. WTF? Looks like someone got a hold of a lower mileage instrument cluster and replaced it on a high mileage vehicle.
There were other clues about this vehicle's mileage, but this was fraud.
The Innova 5610 saved me from buying a high mileage lemon!
Looking for a used Honda or Toyota commuter sedan. I found a car on Marketplace for slightly below market value, below 95k miles. I jumped on it, as I had missed several other by a couple of hours.
I go to see the car and start my scan with my new Innova 5610. The dash board reads 95k miles, but the 5610 scan of the body computer reads 326,*** miles. WTF? Looks like someone got a hold of a lower mileage instrument cluster and replaced it on a high mileage vehicle.
There were other clues about this vehicle's mileage, but this was fraud.
The Innova 5610 saved me from buying a high mileage lemon!