Metal Siding inside garage?

moreyes · Sep 4, 2008

I am remodeling my Men's Crisis Center, looking at some options for the inside walls.

I have repainted the ceilings and walls, looking for kind of the industrial look, thinking of doing corrigated metal type siding a couple of feet up from the floor to protect it from damage also.

Anyone have pictures of this if you have done this?

autoist · Sep 4, 2008

You mean like this?

moreyes · Sep 5, 2008

lastgoodusername · Sep 5, 2008

corrugated tin , imho, is about the best interior wall for a working shop. i once did a whole building in that stuff. i have a small section in my truck shop for the welding area. i will put some photos up this afternoon.

HoosierBuddy · Sep 5, 2008

I used metal siding for my ceiling and the top 60" of the wall. It really makes the garage nice and bright. Below that, I was worried about the siding getting dented by doors and such. I was also concerned about the standing seam that would keep anything (like a workbench or pegboard or shelving) from sitting flush with the wall. Below the metal I used T1-11 exterior wood siding. It allows my stuff to sit flush with the wall, is very durable, water resistant and allows me to drive a nail to hang a clock or a tool rack or whatever...anywhere on the wall without worrying about stud location (unless something really heavy is going to hang there).

It's been up 2-years. I really like it. It is paintable, but I just left it natural.

Phil

autoist · Sep 5, 2008

One thing I didn't do that I now wish I had...run a 1x2 or 1x3 all around the floor & set the tin on top of it...I placed my tin directly on the concrete floor.

tdkkart · Sep 5, 2008

Thought I replied to this earlier, must not have hit the post button??

Anyway, yes the steel walls are nice, and the best option in my mind, but a problem has come up.
This spring the painted variety of this steel was running $50-$55/square(100 square feet of coverage). In last Sunday's ads it was running $80-85/square, which compares to approx. $26.50 per 4x8 sheet of anything else. Pretty expensive considering that the last time I checked 7/16 OSB was cheaper than sheetrock.

There is the issue of the ribs and not being able to get things flush to the walls, but it's not a big deal in my mind. One of the big advantages is teh fact that it is cleanable. My current shop area has sheetrock, once something gets on it you basically have to repaint to clean it.

Somebody mentioned awhile back that the steel has zero fire rating as far as the codes people are concerned, if that's an issue for you.

joebiv318 · Sep 5, 2008

autoist said:
One thing I didn't do that I now wish I had...run a 1x2 or 1x3 all around the floor & set the tin on top of it...I placed my tin directly on the concrete floor.

I'm not sure why you would want to do this? I want to do the first 4' with metal the next 8' of sheet rock. I will be washing cars inside my garage and thought this to be the better way to go. So if there is a reason to put wood down first, I'm listening. Thanks

FunfDreisig · Sep 5, 2008

autoist said:
One thing I didn't do that I now wish I had...run a 1x2 or 1x3 all around the floor & set the tin on top of it...I placed my tin directly on the concrete floor.

I agree. Some sort of "base board" to hold most wall products off the concrete floor of a garage seems quite sensible. Having the 'raw edge' of metal siding in direct contact with concrete probably invites rust unless both the walls and slab are very well insulated and the garage kept dehumidified.

FWIW I'm considering using a synthetic deck board (approx a 1x3 when ripped in half) as a base board. The stuff is very flexible and extremely moisture resistant. Some of it like Veranda have a grooved side so I won't to look a the over zealous attempt to look like wood grain which repeats every 24".

Funf Dreisig

kwb210 · Sep 5, 2008

I just did a small section as a back splash to a work bench. Purchased 24 ga sheet metal, smooth and shiny! It as $14 a sheet, a sheet is 8x3. My work bench is 72 inches wide so I cut the 8x3 sheets into a 6 foot length and used metal roofing nails to attach it. the upper sheets overlap the lower ones so any fluids or spills/splashes will run down to the floor. It really looks cool, but beyond that I think it will be very functional, I can use a sharpie to write on it, spray paint won't do anything other than change the color. Should be a good choice. A whole wall would be cool, but might be to shiny depending on lighting and I have no shortage of lights! :bounce:

Bevis · Sep 6, 2008

FunfDreisig said:
Having the 'raw edge' of metal siding in direct contact with concrete probably invites rust

they make an L shaped piece called a header, that you can put down agianst the floor and then the metal siding will sit on the header channel.

W-Cummins · Sep 6, 2008

tdkkart said:
Thought I replied to this earlier, must not have hit the post button??

Somebody mentioned awhile back that the steel has zero fire rating as far as the codes people are concerned, if that's an issue for you.

Might be your location, but as far as I know most places it's listed as a 1 hour fire wall as long as it's properly installed.

The main down side to it is it's really bright/loud if you have much of it installed. The sound really bounces off it. I have thought about painting it with some kind of coating, but that would reduce its other desirable property's

William....

FunfDreisig · Sep 6, 2008

Bevis said:
they make an L shaped piece called a header, that you can put down agianst the floor and then the metal siding will sit on the header channel.

Good point. These metal "headers" can keep the raw edge out of direct contact with the concrete. When used on the exterior they also act as a flashing.

But these metal header do not perform some of the other functions of a "base board" including protecting the lowest part of the wall sheeting with an easily replaceable guard from dents, dings, scrapes of low flying objects (e.g. small wheels on carts, lawn equipment, shop stool legs, etc.). FWIW I'd use both.

Funf Dreisig

OneNut · Sep 9, 2008

I also put metal on the inside of the garage. I ran blue 3ft up the wall and the rest white.

nonhog · Sep 9, 2008

I plan on adding metal on some of the inside , (great pictures) my question would be what about insulation? Not trying to hijack this thread but it may be a concern to others too . Condesation in between outer and inner metal ?

PurdueSD · Sep 9, 2008

I put it on my ceiling...

PAToyota · Sep 9, 2008

Another question for those like OneNut that have used metal panels throughout their shop - how does that work with noise? Judging by the pool table in OneNut's photo, there probably isn't extreme fabrication going on in there, but how does even a grinder sound with all that noise bouncing off the walls?

varunner · Sep 9, 2008

Where did you get the siding you used on the ceiling and the walls? Is this the same as metal roofing?.

PurdueSD · Sep 9, 2008

It is your basic pole barn style steel ribbed siding 3' wide. I asked for #2 grade on the paint because it was cheaper and will be indoors anyways.

FunfDreisig · Sep 9, 2008

varunner said:
Where did you get the siding you used on the ceiling and the walls? Is this the same as metal roofing?.

The panel design is called "R-panel" in the trade. The larger ridges are 1ft OC. Another common panel is an "A-panel" with the larger ridges 6" OC. These large ridges control the flexibility of fitting the panels to the width of a roof, wall, ceiling, etc. OTH corrugated panels are more flxible since the ridge spacing is much closer.

Funf Dreisig

varunner · Sep 10, 2008

thanks for the info. I'll check Carter Lumber, I believe they sell metal building.

OneNut · Sep 10, 2008

The metal I put up inside was called Ultra 2000 Liner Panel, Used for inside only. Much cheeper then the metal they use for outdoor use, I think I paid $1.50 per liner foot, cut to length. this was back in May 2008.
As for sound, I do some fab work (grinding, woodwork ect.) and the noise is not bad,
I bought the metal from jensen bridge & supply co. in Michigan. I have no ties to the place, Just had the best price
they also have seconds which is metal with flaws or what have ya.
I used the seconds for the 3ft blue panel's that I ran along the bottom.

varunner · Sep 10, 2008

I just got a price from a local lumber yd. for 3' wide panels, they quoting $3.34/lin. ft. I'll have to keep checking.

PurdueSD · Sep 10, 2008

varunner said:
I just got a price from a local lumber yd. for 3' wide panels, they quoting $3.34/lin. ft. I'll have to keep checking.

Make sure you tell them you are using it for interior. You dont need the 30-year finish exterior metals are painted with. My supplier called it #2. Check your local co-op. Also, you might stop by a pole barn being built and ask the crew where they get there metal from.

varunner · Sep 10, 2008

Ok, will do. I just found a manufacturer in this area, I'll post a price when I get it. thanks

Tim Morris · Sep 10, 2008

I used siding as well, but not metal.

I went with vertical vinyl after checking with the building inspector. I thought it might be a fire issue but apparently not; and I'm downtown Toronto.

I did the ceiling as well - all white. Nice and bright, no noise issues (CD/Sterio sounds great) and no corrosion concerns. Washable too!

OneNut · Sep 10, 2008

vinyl siding,,,I was thinking of doing that but didnt know what it would look like, :bowdown:

you have a picture of the inside

Dragster Racer · Sep 10, 2008

I would like to see a picture of the verticle vinyl siding too!

monstergarage87 · Sep 10, 2008

I started putting some up that i got at Lowe's. It was $12 for a 2.5'x8' sheet and $19 for a 2.5'x12' sheet. Thats all ive done so far, plan on doing the ceiling but i have to fir that out so i can hang it running front to back. Should look good when its done.

amt · Sep 10, 2008

Anyone just put up the foam boards up instead? You wouldn't be able to hand anything easily (fine if you have free standing shelves), but install should be quick, and you could get another R4-8 of insulation. Are the closed cell foam boards fire rated?

IDASHO · Sep 10, 2008

amt said:
Are the closed cell foam boards fire rated?

FAR from it.

gesoffen · Sep 10, 2008

W-Cummins said:
Might be your location, but as far as I know most places it's listed as a 1 hour fire wall as long as it's properly installed.
William....

Its been a number of years since I was into architecture so things may have changed but sheet steel by itself has no fire rating when installed directly on combustible materials - it would transfer any radiated or conducted heat directly to the wood framing or insulation directly behind it.

Drywall itself has a 60 minute fire rating (for 5/8") - I don't recall sheet metal adding anything to the drywall fire rating.

nonhog · Sep 11, 2008

Tim Morris said:
I used siding as well, but not metal.

I went with vertical vinyl after checking with the building inspector. I thought it might be a fire issue but apparently not; and I'm downtown Toronto.

I did the ceiling as well - all white. Nice and bright, no noise issues (CD/Sterio sounds great) and no corrosion concerns. Washable too!

OneNut said:
vinyl siding,,,I was thinking of doing that but didnt know what it would look like, you have a picture of the inside

Dragster Racer said:
I would like to see a picture of the verticle vinyl siding too!

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21762 Hey I 'll have a bunch for free (Vinyl)

Dragster Racer · Sep 11, 2008

I see. I thought it was vinyl sheets, but it is actually siding. I priced the metal for inside use at Menards, and it was $.83/sq ft. He said it has really gone up. I was a little suprised. I didn't think it would be that much. I think I am going to be more open to other finishing options now!

tdkkart · Sep 11, 2008

Dragster Racer said:
I priced the metal for inside use at Menards, and it was $.83/sq ft. He said it has really gone up.

Yes, that was the price that was in last week's ad. Last spring when I was doing some figuring it was in the $.50-.55/sqft range depending on the color and style. I think you could get plain galvanized for $.45/sqft then.

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