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These guys supposedly have the largest 3D printer and are actually printing a camping trailer.



CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Friday, February 23, 2018 10:46PM EST
Last Updated Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:38AM EST
He’s been planning it for the past two years, but Randy Janes of Saskatoon finally has the camper of his dreams.
Janes developed a 3D-printed camper in what has been billed as not only the world’s largest 3D-printed camper, but also one of the largest indoor 3D-printed objects ever.
The print took nine-and-a-half days with North America’s biggest 3D printer. James and his printing team now have a functioning prototype of the camper.

“It's kind of surreal,” James told CTV Saskatoon. “I had the thought of walking into it when I designed it on my kitchen table and I got it to work.”
The camper stands at four metres tall and 272 kilograms. It is essentially one large piece of plastic, which Janes says solves a lot of issues in the RV industry.

“(RV owners) invest a lot of money into their RV and within five, 10, 15 years, three quarters of that investment is either rotted or molded away,” he said. “With my structure you wouldn't get any of that.”
The camper is also fully customizable and can even include a hole for ice fishing. It will include a full kitchen and bathroom.
Janes expects the camper to hit the market by the end of the year.
 

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Boiler Great idea on this thread. The 3D printing has always kind of interested me. But know virtually nothing about it. It wasn’t long ago when dot matrix was a newest paper printing option. Then ink jet, laser, colour we are living in an amazing period. Kind of overwhelming actually. It was over 40 years ago when I seen my first roller fax using thermal paper. Pretty amazing at the time.

More info on RV printing.

New Faces: Create Cafe and 3D Printing draws global notice
FEBRUARY 12, 2017 1:00 PM
It’s pretty much a given that you will not find a 3D printer this large anywhere else in Saskatoon — or in Canada, or in North America, for that matter.

The size of this machine has attracted attention from businesses from around the globe for Create Café and 3D Printing, says Randy Janes, one of the owners of the café, which officially opened Jan. 23.

“We have already had calls from Sweden and Dubai,” Janes said. The former product specialist for a local RV company went to California to plan to bring this printer to the prairies.

The massive 3D printer is 28 feet long, eight feet wide and seven feet tall. It’s housed in a climate controlled environment to ensure it works optimally.

When Janes and fellow owner Dustin Maki were constructing their new business on Circle Drive, they decided to put a window in place so customers could watch the printer in action.

“We couldn’t have a better location here,” Maki said.

Hung on the walls of the café — which sells Intellegentsia coffee from San Francisco and Silk Road Tea from Victoria, B.C. — are many examples of what the 3D printer can do. From toys to guitars, the imagination is the only thing that can get in its way.

People are encouraged to drop by the store, have a coffee, and explain their plans and dreams. Maki and Janes can guide them through the processes and develop a prototype.

“Keeping things in-house is a security feature we can provide that gives our clients a little comfort and a secure feeling,” Janes said, noting a project that would normally take weeks to complete can be done now in a matter of hours.

“I can print you a full-sized boat if you want,” he said. “You can print anything with this. We’ll figure out a way to make it happen.”

Create Café and 3D Printing
Owners: Randy Janes (owner/operator) and Dustin Maki (CEO, co-founder)
 

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I "inherited" a GeeeTech i3 from a buddy of mine. He got tired of messing with it and now I'm working to get it printing. I've spent the last week online in the evenings researching everything related to the GT i3 and the options I have to make it better.

Fortunately the GT i3 is based on the Original Prusa i3 which you can still buy as kits or fully assembled, so there options available on the Prusa site.

I stumbled across a couple of great YouTube channels that I'll post later, but one of the best sites I've run across is OpenBuilds. The site has categories for 3D printers but also CNC routers, laser/plasma, drawbot/artbot, CNC lathes, vacuum forming, 3D scanners, and other builds. The 3D printer section is further broken down by 3D printer types and there is a wealth of info and plans for DIY 3D printers there. I'm planning to build a bigger print envelope CoreXY machine later after I get the GT i3 printing properly.

Another DIY printer I may build before the bigger CoreXY is the Folger Tech FT-5. Lilscorpion just received his kit so hopefully he will be posting build pics here once he gets around to assembling it and starting it up.
 
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Boiler Great idea on this thread. The 3D printing has always kind of interested me. But know virtually nothing about it. It wasn’t long ago when dot matrix was a newest paper printing option. Then ink jet, laser, colour we are living in an amazing period. Kind of overwhelming actually. It was over 40 years ago when I seen my first roller fax using thermal paper. Pretty amazing at the time.

More info on RV printing.

New Faces: Create Cafe and 3D Printing draws global notice
FEBRUARY 12, 2017 1:00 PM
It’s pretty much a given that you will not find a 3D printer this large anywhere else in Saskatoon — or in Canada, or in North America, for that matter.

The size of this machine has attracted attention from businesses from around the globe for Create Café and 3D Printing, says Randy Janes, one of the owners of the café, which officially opened Jan. 23.

“We have already had calls from Sweden and Dubai,” Janes said. The former product specialist for a local RV company went to California to plan to bring this printer to the prairies.

The massive 3D printer is 28 feet long, eight feet wide and seven feet tall. It’s housed in a climate controlled environment to ensure it works optimally.

When Janes and fellow owner Dustin Maki were constructing their new business on Circle Drive, they decided to put a window in place so customers could watch the printer in action.

“We couldn’t have a better location here,” Maki said.

Hung on the walls of the café — which sells Intellegentsia coffee from San Francisco and Silk Road Tea from Victoria, B.C. — are many examples of what the 3D printer can do. From toys to guitars, the imagination is the only thing that can get in its way.

People are encouraged to drop by the store, have a coffee, and explain their plans and dreams. Maki and Janes can guide them through the processes and develop a prototype.

“Keeping things in-house is a security feature we can provide that gives our clients a little comfort and a secure feeling,” Janes said, noting a project that would normally take weeks to complete can be done now in a matter of hours.

“I can print you a full-sized boat if you want,” he said. “You can print anything with this. We’ll figure out a way to make it happen.”

Create Café and 3D Printing
Owners: Randy Janes (owner/operator) and Dustin Maki (CEO, co-founder)

Ah man, now that is really cool! I suspect their 3D printer is an extrusion direct from pellet style printer. I think it would have to be in order to properly print a camper.

There are DIY filament extruder kits and plans online too that allow you to make your own 1.75mm or 2.85mm/3mm filament from bulk pellets. If I start printing a ton of stuff I would build my own filament extruder to make my own supply for my printer(s).
 

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Boiler I’m going to subscribe. You talk of making a filament extruder, people used to think filling my own ink jet cartridges was over the top. Too bad you live so far away would like to see what you are up to. Post some pics, videos so we can see what you have shakin!
 
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Boiler I’m going to subscribe. You talk of making a filament extruder, people used to think filling my own ink jet cartridges was over the top. Too bad you live so far away would like to see what you are up to. Post some pics, videos so we can see what you have shakin!

Cool. I'm not ready to embark on the filament extruder just yet... I have too many other projects ahead of it that are a tad bigger, but who knows, if I get a couple 3D printers really singing then maybe I will need to.

My goals are to primarily give me a means of fabricating prototype parts for my motorcycle builds so I will eventually move into printing the tougher materials like ABS, Nylons, and ULTEMs. My end goal is to be able to even print my own body work and fenders for my bike builds.

I found a cool blog by AK Eric documenting his C-Bot DIY printer build and it's upgrades. Here's the link: AK Eric's C-Bot Build Blog

Regarding the DIY filament extruder, here is a DIY kit I came across: Filastruder

There are things about the Filastruder that I don't like so I would have to mod it's design and/or build. In my limited research there are DIY extruder plans online as well, but I didn't dig too deep into it yet. Just nice to know it's a possibility since raw pellets are 30%-75% cheaper than the cost of purchased filament. BUT the filament can be a major source of issues in 3D printers so it could also be a path to frustration and crappy prints.

Filastruder is also a US source of the SILENTSTEPSTICK stepper drivers featuring the Trinamic TMC2130, the Duet WiFi control board, DUEX5 expansion board, and the PANELDUE 7i 7" TFT touchscreen LCD panel. Those components would build one Sa-Weet 3D printer!

The Duet WiFi and DUEX5 will allow you to run up to 7 extruders via support for a further 5 stepper drivers and heaters on the DUEX5 expansion board.
The firmware includes support for mixing nozzles and remapping axes to use high power external drivers.

That power allows you to run a standard dual extruder head and one of these Diamond extruders:

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OR two of these 3-into-1 Diamond extruders with a spare stepper driver position:

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I'm personally leaning towards the 3-into-1 or 5-into-1 head for doing multi-color stuff or more detail oriented work since the tip is 0.4mm. Combined with a larger orifice dual extruder you can print far more complex parts needing supports. The large dual extruder can print off low cost PLA supports at a higher speed, then put in layer of HIPS dissolvable to allow easy removal of the supports from an ABS/Nylon/ULTEM part while minimizing the part cost.

Swap out the filaments and you can print off multi-color figurines or models.
 

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Glad this thread has opened up. I was following along on lilscorpion's re-org thread. I have a Printrbot Metal Simple (ca. 2014) that I did some printing with when I first got it. After awhile I got tired of making useless plastic trinkets, and haven't fired it up in years. I was about to add a heated bed, but never did. I imagine all my PLA is no good anymore, as I think it absorbs moisture. Is that right?

I am inspired by you guys and am thinking about getting back into it. Though, I just haven't really had any good ideas for printing projects. Just a lack of imagination on my part, I guess.

I like Steve_mc0's organization ideas and I hope more folks chime in while cool things they have made (of all sorts).

Thanks for rekindling my 3D interest!
 

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I'd love you guys to show more of what you're making. I debate buying a prusa unit every couple of months but ultimately I keep coming back to 'what would I make'? I could see myself making "plastic trinkets" and tiring of it after a couple months, which I don't want to do.

The tool organizers are great ideas. Would like to see other printed products we can all use also.
 
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Thanks for the posts Steve. That is a sweet cabinet for your i3! Did you buy it or build it? Does your Wanhao i3 have the Z-axis wobble common to most i3s?

Glad this thread has opened up. I was following along on lilscorpion's re-org thread. I have a Printrbot Metal Simple (ca. 2014) that I did some printing with when I first got it. After awhile I got tired of making useless plastic trinkets, and haven't fired it up in years. I was about to add a heated bed, but never did. I imagine all my PLA is no good anymore, as I think it absorbs moisture. Is that right?

I am inspired by you guys and am thinking about getting back into it. Though, I just haven't really had any good ideas for printing projects. Just a lack of imagination on my part, I guess.

I like Steve_mc0's organization ideas and I hope more folks chime in while cool things they have made (of all sorts).

Thanks for rekindling my 3D interest!

Chortler,

PLA does absorb some moisture, but nothing like ABS or Nylon. There is a dedicated filament dryer you can buy that also allows it to feed the printers, or you can put it in the oven at very low temp around 140degF for a few hours to drive off the moisture. If it bubbles and pops when you run it, it still has moisture in it. You can put dry rice in the bottom of a sealing 5 gallon bucket and use it to dry the filament for a few days before popping it in the oven too... or just order some eSun PLA+ off Amazon and start fresh with a great lower cost filament.

Thingiverse has tons of parts and bits to print off. Of course you can always design your own too, or mod designs you find if you have the CAD programs.

I'd love you guys to show more of what you're making. I debate buying a prusa unit every couple of months but ultimately I keep coming back to 'what would I make'? I could see myself making "plastic trinkets" and tiring of it after a couple months, which I don't want to do.

The tool organizers are great ideas. Would like to see other printed products we can all use also.

The Original Prusa i3 MK3 is a very good machine, and I had planned to buy one, but TBH, once I discovered the Folger Tech FT-5 I realized it was a better machine for the money. I can strongly say that I would NOT buy a lower cost i3 clone. My GeeeTech has the horrible Z-axis wobble because of the dual Z-steppers and the cheap threaded rod that is used for the lead screws. There are work arounds and upgrades to reduce or eliminate it, but it's kind of good money after bad IMHO. Buy a better machine from the start and avoid the issues.

Again, spend some time searching on Thingiverse... Also, there are other sites that host 3D printer files for download, so even a Google search may turn up what you're looking for.

I'll be focused on printing upgrade parts for my GT i3, parts to make a new 3D printer, and then prototypes and parts for my motorcycles, but I'm sure I'll track down or design some bits for the garage too...
 

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Thanks for the posts Steve. That is a sweet cabinet for your i3! Did you buy it or build it? Does your Wanhao i3 have the Z-axis wobble common to most i3s?



Chortler,

PLA does absorb some moisture, but nothing like ABS or Nylon. There is a dedicated filament dryer you can buy that also allows it to feed the printers, or you can put it in the oven at very low temp around 140degF for a few hours to drive off the moisture. If it bubbles and pops when you run it, it still has moisture in it. You can put dry rice in the bottom of a sealing 5 gallon bucket and use it to dry the filament for a few days before popping it in the oven too... or just order some eSun PLA+ off Amazon and start fresh with a great lower cost filament.

Thingiverse has tons of parts and bits to print off. Of course you can always design your own too, or mod designs you find if you have the CAD programs.



The Original Prusa i3 MK3 is a very good machine, and I had planned to buy one, but TBH, once I discovered the Folger Tech FT-5 I realized it was a better machine for the money. I can strongly say that I would NOT buy a lower cost i3 clone. My GeeeTech has the horrible Z-axis wobble because of the dual Z-steppers and the cheap threaded rod that is used for the lead screws. There are work arounds and upgrades to reduce or eliminate it, but it's kind of good money after bad IMHO. Buy a better machine from the start and avoid the issues.

Again, spend some time searching on Thingiverse... Also, there are other sites that host 3D printer files for download, so even a Google search may turn up what you're looking for.

I'll be focused on printing upgrade parts for my GT i3, parts to make a new 3D printer, and then prototypes and parts for my motorcycles, but I'm sure I'll track down or design some bits for the garage too...
I printed the z axis stabiliser mounts as my very first print so I don't know if it did!

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Steve I think your set up is pretty amazing. What kind of money are we talking to set up something similar to your printer? I imagine the software is supplied with the printer when purchased. Are there other costs involved to get started.
 

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Steve I think your set up is pretty amazing. What kind of money are we talking to set up something similar to your printer? I imagine the software is supplied with the printer when purchased. Are there other costs involved to get started.
It was under 1k to set it all up. I use Cura which is supplied with the printer. Only other costs were the cabinet from IKEA

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Is it possible to School the rest of us on drawing up a project for input. Say a simple water tumbler for starters.

I'll let others reply too, but I'm just beginning my CAD journey again. I installed the Autodesk software on my new PC today.

I did see that Autodesk offers Tinkercad and Fusion360 for free. I also saw that they had a program that will export models for 3D printing, but I can't remember which ones do that right now.

From the Autodesk web site:

"Tinkercad is a free, online 3D design and 3D printing app for everyone."

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Print anything yet?!


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I'll ask you the same question. :bounce:


The only thing I've "printed" was that blob I posted in my Killing Time thread. I did get the hot end swapped out, but I haven't had a chance to wire it in or do anything else. I also got Simplify3D installed on my new P51 this evening and I'm hoping the Arduino app will connect through Win10 Pro so I can update the firmware later. I'm going to get back to the GT i3 this weekend. I'll see if the new hot end, the extruder calibration, and new PLA do the trick first. If it still prints blobs, then I'll upgrade to a 3rd party firmware on the control board and try that. If that still doesn't help then I'm going to get the Original Prusa all metal hot end upgrade.

If it still doesn't print correctly after that, then I'm scrapping the GT i3 and converting it to a CoreXY and going with a Duet WiFi control board at the same time. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it wouldn't print after the Prusa i3 all metal upgrade, but I'm hoping just the hot end swap and calibration of the extruder does the trick. I'll probably go to a 3rd party firmware anyway to get better PID control loops and allow me to take advantage of upgrading to TNW2130 stepper drivers later too.

The short term plan is to just get it printing good parts so I can print the parts I need to convert it to a CoreXY machine down the road and also allow me to print parts for a bigger C-Bot.
 
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IKEA kitchen wall cabinets for the 2x enclosures

Steve, I love the IKEA cabinets. Such a simple but effective full enclosure.

Maybe I can talk lilscorpion into making me a big version with his fancy Festools and ship it to me as a flat pack so I can assembly it here and set it on top of a tool chest! Or maybe I'll design an aluminum extrusion stand for the cabinet.
 

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I'll ask you the same question. :bounce:


You can ask and the answer may just generate disappointment. It hasn’t moved from the front door to be honest. I may begin working on it this weekend and I may not...I do want to get to a good stopping point in the shop badly so it’s usable.

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Steve, I love the IKEA cabinets. Such a simple but effective full enclosure.



Maybe I can talk lilscorpion into making me a big version with his fancy Festools and ship it to me as a flat pack so I can assembly it here and set it on top of a tool chest! Or maybe I'll design an aluminum extrusion stand for the cabinet.


I’m really not happy you posted that picture (the Cool cabinet with the spool holder above. You know gibing me a setup ideal like that gives me the opportunity to be distracted by yet another project.

If I were to build one, I’d probably put the machine on a locking drawer slide so it could be pulled out of the cabinet when in use and put away when not. The assembly assembly would move as one pull out assembly inside another cabinet...hm, neat idea.




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You can ask and the answer may just generate disappointment. It hasn’t moved from the front door to be honest. I may begin working on it this weekend and I may not...I do want to get to a good stopping point in the shop badly so it’s usable.

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I’m really not happy you posted that picture (the Cool cabinet with the spool holder above. You know gibing me a setup ideal like that gives me the opportunity to be distracted by yet another project.

If I were to build one, I’d probably put the machine on a locking drawer slide so it could be pulled out of the cabinet when in use and put away when not. The assembly assembly would move as one pull out assembly inside another cabinet...hm, neat idea.

Really? You haven't even unboxed it to make sure nothing was damaged or missing? I figured you hadn't assembled it yet.

I figured you would have already planned it out and started building out one of the cabinets for the FT-5.

The FT-5 has the nice advantage that you can easily enclose the print volume with foam project board for heating the interior or at least keeping it more temp stable for printing ABS and Nylon. I love Steve's cabinet idea because I can build an insulated cabinet around my bigger machine to do two things: cut down the noise and allow me to heat the inside to the ideal temps for ABS, Nylon, and ULTEM with a single loop PID controller and a heat exchanger to vent the stinky ABS fumes out of the house using 4" or 6" ducting.

I have a little crawl space under our kitchen. It was partially excavated around 6'x6'. I was planning to dig it out a little more to make a footer/slab and use ICF to pour a half wall around the area, then wall off the top and joists to enclose it as a true vented root cellar, but still have an opening to crawl through for access to the rest of the area. Now I'm thinking about excavating a little more area. I'd still have the root cellar at the back, but the front area by the opening at the basement wall may be finished out so that I can have two printers in there in dedicated cabinets that I can remove later. That frees up a lot of valuable floor space in my small 7'x9' hobby shop area in the basement, which shares the space with 18" deep heavy duty shelves, a safe, and my big workbench. The only reason I haven't built that area out yet is the excavation would be done with a shovel and 5 gallon bucket; the dust from the dirt, and no easy way to get the concrete down in the area; But now I'm really giving it more thought. :headscrat
 
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While cleaning up files on my new laptop I came across these pics I had downloaded from a Tiny House blog. They used a 3D printer to print out a 1:48 scale trailer tiny house.

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I thought it was a really cool idea. I think I'll have to print out a 1:48 or 1:96 scale model of the house plan I'm hoping to build when we move out of Indiana in a few years with the mods to attach a nice garage.

We could easily mod this idea to print out scale models of our garages to play with layouts and builds...
 

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If I were to build one, I’d probably put the machine on a locking drawer slide so it could be pulled out of the cabinet when in use and put away when not. The assembly assembly would move as one pull out assembly inside another cabinet...hm, neat idea.

Once you have it setup you don't want to move it as it'll put the bed out of alignment.

I made a removable bed from some thin steel sheet and some neodymium magnets. I now just pull the job out of the cabinet and then break it free by twisting the steel sheet.

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Once you have it setup you don't want to move it as it'll put the bed out of alignment.

I made a removable bed from some thin steel sheet and some neodymium magnets. I now just pull the job out of the cabinet and then break it free by twisting the steel sheet.

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Maybe I'm not explaining well enough. it would be like having the entire thing on a table that moves. The 3D printer itself doesn't move but the table does. Maybe I don't get it.
 

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Maybe I'm not explaining well enough. it would be like having the entire thing on a table that moves. The 3D printer itself doesn't move but the table does. Maybe I don't get it.
Yup you don't get it. Because when you're printing you don't want ANY movement in the printer or what it's sitting on.

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Yup you don't get it. Because when you're printing you don't want ANY movement in the printer or what it's sitting on.

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Oh, while it’s printing. So the slide out drawer wouldn’t be this enough and the printer action itself would make it wiggle all over the damn place.


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Oh, while it’s printing. So the slide out drawer wouldn’t be this enough and the printer action itself would make it wiggle all over the damn place.


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Correct. IKEA makes a drawer for the cabinet but it wobbles like crazy.

Much better to get yourself a removable bed on the printer.

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Correct. IKEA makes a drawer for the cabinet but it wobbles like crazy.

Much better to get yourself a removable bed on the printer.

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Got it. I supposed I would have figured the idea wouldn't have worked for **** the first time I tried to print with it. Guess that's one learning by failure moment I won't have to have.
 

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How long does it take to build your drill holder? What would it cost in filament materials?
Would different printers all take the same amount of time?

Boiler
Good pics keep us up to speed on what you are doing.
 

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How long does it take to build your drill holder? What would it cost in filament materials?
Would different printers all take the same amount of time?

Boiler
Good pics keep us up to speed on what you are doing.
Takes 3days to print a drill holder. Costs about 3to 5 bucks in filament.

Some printers are faster and better quality than mine. Guess it depends on the $ you wanna spend.

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OK so the printers are cool and it would be very cool to be able to create things that they are capable of, but are these things expensive to make(print?) I mean the items that are made not the printers themselves. Finding the cost of the hardware is easy enough, but how do you guess the cost of the items? Relatively cheap? Expensive? I'm sure it is all based on size, but maybe someone can compare a item that is printed to one that is manufactured.
 

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Takes 3days to print a drill holder. Costs about 3to 5 bucks in filament.

Some printers are faster and better quality than mine. Guess it depends on the $ you wanna spend.

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Posted while I was typing.

The drill holder is pretty cool. I'd say very cheap to print if the filament and electricity are the only costs. Just a guess.

Still cool for the money.
 

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OK so the printers are cool and it would be very cool to be able to create things that they are capable of, but are these things expensive to make(print?) I mean the items that are made not the printers themselves. Finding the cost of the hardware is easy enough, but how do you guess the cost of the items? Relatively cheap? Expensive? I'm sure it is all based on size, but maybe someone can compare a item that is printed to one that is manufactured.
Stupidly cheap most of the time. A roll of filament is 35 bucks AUD and then each print can be calculated by the printer software to be able to see how much it'll cost before you print.

The benefits of having custom brackets or things that are exactly what you want... Priceless.

I'd recommend you get good at fusion 360 before buying a printer.

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That makes these things look even better.

I like stupid cheap! I can easily forget the cost of the tool I bought to do it with.
 
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