P&C Stuff
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I can fix anything
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Very cool!!!!
Gort the giant robot
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Living near Portland, I have found it easy to find P&C tools. They are easier to find Plomb. Most people have never even heard of P&C tools, so they pass them by. I had a guy at work a few years ago give me a 16 inch P&C adjustable wrench because he had never heard of that brand of tools before. If it does not come off of a tool truck, he does not want it. I have not found a P&C tool box, but I did find a Plomb tool box several weeks ago at a garage sale.
Gort.
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disaster1277
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what does P and C stand for. is it short for proto/challenger? or something else
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According to Alloy Artifacts, Peterson & Carlborg
More info here: http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/peterson-carlborg.html#history
Keith Rumgay
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I started work at P &C October 1962 till June 1990. the P & C line was phased out in the late 70s to Proto when the Proto plant in Los Angeles was shut down
then in 1990 Proto was moved to Texas
I live about 1 mile from where the plant WAS it now is a Parking Lot
***************SOME of MY P&C ***************
then in 1990 Proto was moved to Texas
I live about 1 mile from where the plant WAS it now is a Parking Lot
***************SOME of MY P&C ***************
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woody 73
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Very nice tools if only I had the room and the deep pockets I would collect them all!
camarotoolman
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I have a 4" ajustable, $15 shipped
Outlawmws
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All vary nice stuff! I think my only P&C stuff is the 3/4" drive ratchet, 6" extension and 15/16 Socket that are part of the few tools I have of my dad's.
lbgradwell
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Outstanding stuff, Keith!!!
HandyManny
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I have noticed that too. Wifes family is all in Oregon and I have seen more vintage P&C hand tools being used by extended family who lives there over the years. In fact I recall coming across lots of P&C hand tools when I lived there on the coast about 25 years ago. Saw more P&C in that part of the US than in any other part of this country. Personally I always found them to be nice wrenches, every bit a good as Proto from the same era.
HandyManny
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Excellent info. Is it true that current Proto wrenches, since the move to Texas, are now made in the old National Hand Tool factory (now run/owned by Stanley)?
Keith Rumgay
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I saw Proto, Challenger, Penens, Vlchek, Fleet, Names stamped on the same tools they were all the same just the finish could be diff.
I think it stand for Probably Chinese. JK.
Hammer1963
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Nice stuff ! I really like that box. I don't see a lot of P & C around these part, but my Dad has several P & C tools from his Alaska days.
hammergodthor
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You got any old pics of the factory? I work with someone who toured the factory in the very early 60's as a highschooler, and he said all he really remembered was that it was dark and dirty. Info about the brand is very scarce, you could do MUCH to enlighten us; I would love to hear more!
I've heard many times it was in Milwaukee, but I have no idea exactly where. Would love to know where.
(pretty please)
Outlawmws
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lauver
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Gang,
I found a P&C 3/4 drive tool box at a swap meet this fall. It's the 1st P&C box of any kind I've seen in the wild down here in Tejas.
Here's a few pic's:
It's rough but intact and will eventually house my mix & match 3/4 drive tools.
I have a 3/8 drive set I've been piecing together. It almost complete, just missing a P&C ratchet and 1/2" 12pt socket. I'll post some photos of this set in the morning.
Great thread.
I found a P&C 3/4 drive tool box at a swap meet this fall. It's the 1st P&C box of any kind I've seen in the wild down here in Tejas.
Here's a few pic's:
It's rough but intact and will eventually house my mix & match 3/4 drive tools.
I have a 3/8 drive set I've been piecing together. It almost complete, just missing a P&C ratchet and 1/2" 12pt socket. I'll post some photos of this set in the morning.
Great thread.
coldfusion21
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You got any old pics of the factory? I work with someone who toured the factory in the very early 60's as a highschooler, and he said all he really remembered was that it was dark and dirty. Info about the brand is very scarce, you could do MUCH to enlighten us; I would love to hear more!
I've heard many times it was in Milwaukee, but I have no idea exactly where. Would love to know where.
(pretty please)
Google maps providence milwaukie, look for the empty lot south west of the actual hospital. That's where I was lead to believe p&c was located.
Not sure about Vlchek but the rest were all part of the Plomb/ Proto umbrella of tool co.
Jim
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Old but great thread. Currently live very close to the old P&C grounds here in Milwaukie. Commonly have found their products in Portland antique shops, heck we even found an almost complete box wrench set here in the attick. Great stuff
You got any old pics of the factory? I work with someone who toured the factory in the very early 60's as a highschooler, and he said all he really remembered was that it was dark and dirty. Info about the brand is very scarce, you could do MUCH to enlighten us; I would love to hear more!
I've heard many times it was in Milwaukee, but I have no idea exactly where. Would love to know where.
(pretty please)
Just south of the old Dwyer hospital on 32nd.
Amazing box Lauver!! If it ever needs a new home you let me know, I have been slowly working on a P&C 3/4" set for years now, and thats the 1st box I have ever seen!! I'll give you a you **** just for owning it!
Thanks for sharing with us Keith!!
-Dane
Thanks for sharing with us Keith!!
-Dane
justin10054
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I run across Vlchek wrenches at swap meets all the time that are dead ringers for Proto. It wouldn't surprise me if they were made by Proto at some point.
Lurker no more!!!
Name is Greg and I'm from Idaho. This is definitely my kind of place. Old cars are my main thing but I can't seem to stay away from the occasional late night bidding frenzy for old tools on Ebay, or the lure of rare finds at the local yard sales.
Love P&C stuff! The similarities between my 16" P&C and my 20" Proto are what lead to my interest in old tools.
The fact that P&C started in Boise, Idaho only lead to my fascination.
This is the most informative thread that I have found on P&C, so it's time to come out of the closet.
It's great that someone that actually worked at the factory is a member here.
The 16" adjustable was purchased from a retired neighbor in 1993. The 3/4 drive tool box along with the sockets, wrenches and needle nose pliers were purchased from a lady that had a '74 Audi Fox for sale on Craigslist in 2010.
The smaller adjustables are Ebay purchases but the 12" adjustable I traded with a coworker for a Spanish made 12" Channellock, and the 8" came with a cool lot of wrenches from an east coast antique store.
The big chisel was purchased at my only trip to the local pawn shop this century.
Name is Greg and I'm from Idaho. This is definitely my kind of place. Old cars are my main thing but I can't seem to stay away from the occasional late night bidding frenzy for old tools on Ebay, or the lure of rare finds at the local yard sales.
Love P&C stuff! The similarities between my 16" P&C and my 20" Proto are what lead to my interest in old tools.
The fact that P&C started in Boise, Idaho only lead to my fascination.
This is the most informative thread that I have found on P&C, so it's time to come out of the closet.
It's great that someone that actually worked at the factory is a member here.
The 16" adjustable was purchased from a retired neighbor in 1993. The 3/4 drive tool box along with the sockets, wrenches and needle nose pliers were purchased from a lady that had a '74 Audi Fox for sale on Craigslist in 2010.
The smaller adjustables are Ebay purchases but the 12" adjustable I traded with a coworker for a Spanish made 12" Channellock, and the 8" came with a cool lot of wrenches from an east coast antique store.
The big chisel was purchased at my only trip to the local pawn shop this century.
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Keith Rumgay
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It is Milwaukie IE Not ee Oregon. The Plant stood on the N.E. Corner of 32nd ave. & SE Lewellyn st. in Milwaukie, Oregon. I grew up in Lebanon, Oregon and my Grand parents stated work at P & C during ww2. My Grand mother was the First Female to work in the plant. yes in the early 60s the plant was dirty and dark still had HARD packed dirt floors in part of it. The stock room part was all nice and New it is where they had all the finished product and fill orders for the customers. I do not have very many pictures of the place
Keith
Keith
T56 Impala
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P&C also was either owned by or did contract work for Plomb in the war years. They produced some of the larger WF series DBE wrenches, some early WF ratchets and MANY WF sockets (under both the P&C logo and the PLOMB logo) including most of the large 3/4" drive WF stuff.
(Hint, hint to you guys in the area! I looking for this stuff......)
From the few examples I have, they were top quality tools even during the war years.
(Hint, hint to you guys in the area! I looking for this stuff......
)From the few examples I have, they were top quality tools even during the war years.
B17E1943
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lzenglish
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I agree with you 100 percent Volvadi, and welcome to the site. Thanks Keith, for sharing some of your inside stories and pictures! And, PLEASE post more pictures of the inside of the plant, if you can find them! Also, Nice find lauver!
Wayne
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Keith Rumgay
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Still looking for pictures in the 100s of old pics I have. Note the P&C tools that are NOT chromed were made before & during WW2 some time after the war they started having them Chrome Plated in 1997 they installed there own Plating unit Building. I have a 6016-s socket !/2 " socket foe a 1/2" sq. nut or bolt that came off the first rack of sockets that were plated. I dipped it in hot wax and it is tagged and in my tool box. See pic along with ! of the tool stamps I have along with my Maint. coverall tags.Allso the pics of the 3 foot long 3/8 speed handle & 3/4 drive ratchet from WW2
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Gort the giant robot
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Vlchek in it's later years was owned by Plomb. I recently bought a Plomb 3/4 inch drive ratchet with a removable drive plug. The drive plug was made by P&C. I buy some P&C tools almost every weekend from several places. The only time i don't buy them is if there is something i want more. I don't really collect them for myself, i am just building a collection to resell in the future.
Gort
Gort
lauver
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OP
jabberwoki
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Keith was the gent i was talking about in my p&c megga haul post!
I`ts good to have some p&c back up!!
I`ts good to have some p&c back up!!
Scout Driver
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Wow! Some beautiful tools in this thread. Keep the pics coming!
Scott
Scott
lzenglish
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Speaking of P&C Stuff. I found this little guy at the flea market yesterday. I/4" drive, and 5 inches long, and works great. I did try and google it, and looked at A.A., but found nothing on this #0246. Does anyone know the time frame of it's production, and or any other info. on it?
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