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A recent discussion prompted me to start a Facom thread. I realise that the products of this French company will be relatively unknown to many of the U.S. based readers, but Facom has something of a cult following, and many of it’s products are unique, so worth a thread I feel.

I first encountered Facom probably 35 years back. The timing was good, as I was just starting to need metric tools, and the mechanics tools I was used to, such as Britool, were just starting to lose quality

A local tool shop (we still had them then) started stocking Facom, and within a year had a small “back room” dedicated to them. I wish I’d taken some pictures, as he had an awesome display for a small town. He had large complete sets of pretty much every wrench, including patterns I’d never seen, all displayed on Facom tool boards. There were all the usual screwdrivers, pliers etc, and complete socket sets in orange boxes.

The quality was obvious, and my Dad started buying a few. When I wanted some metric wrenches to keep on my first metric vehicle, I opted for Facom (No 40). Here they are. I was always careful, never forced the open end till it slipped (as every youtube tester seems to) and wiped them down regularly. They’ve seen a fair bit of use, but are still in good shape. All are French made.
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I was also tempted by the No. 75 box wrenches. A new pattern to me at the time, but the first 6 point wrenches I bought, which I needed, as fastener quality was hitting rock bottom at the time. I soon found they were a bit heavy to keep on a vehicle, and the larger sizes lack leverage, but they have their uses. Useful to carry if you don’t want small parts (such as sockets) loose in a bag. And very comfortable to use. These are also French made.
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I started seeing Facom wrenches used, and as they were less well known than some, the prices were often very reasonable. These are but a couple. A lot of my bigger metric wrenches I bought this way. These No 55 wrenches are very tough, and the plating is very durable.
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And here are some screwdrivers. Black hard handles with the sizes clearly engraved in white. Great design (sadly no longer made).
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I have more to post, but I’ll leave it there for now, and invite others to share their Facom.
 
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Not got pictures to hand but have a fair bit of Facom, old and new.
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Large 1" or 3/4" drive sockets, some large spanners, some 40 series spanners, a couple of their CDX drive socket sets.
New
440 series spanners, 440 long type, 1/2" drive flex head torque wrench, bit ratchet set, hex keys, 75 series box spanners.
 
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Not got pictures to hand but have a fair bit of Facom, old and new.
Old
Large 1" or 3/4" drive sockets, some large spanners, some 40 series spanners, a couple of their CDX drive socket sets.
New
440 series spanners, 440 long type, 1/2" drive flex head torque wrench, bit ratchet set, hex keys, 75 series box spanners.
I thought I remembered you were a Facom user! All pictures welcome over time!
 

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A long time ago Griot's Garage sold Facom Tools (not to be confused with their USAG offerings today). My favorite tool from that period was Facom's 3/8 drive flex head palm control ratchet with the tapered comfort grip handle. I loved that ratchet. This was before the high toothed, thin pear head designs of today. It took a lickin, and kept on ticking. sadly, it disappeared during a PCS move and Facom stopped making it years ago. You can get a Proto version with a knurled handle but, it's not the same but, I digress. FACOM hasn't had a huge presence in the USA aside from a brief period when Sears offered some Facom tools that were later closed out at bargain prices. You see the occasional FACOM tool rebadged as MAC these days. Facom has always been a solid tool with a European flair added. I really like their compact socket sets and enjoy browsing their online catalog for a different perspective on tools. I guess that and the Ultimate Garage website took the place of the old Craftsman tool catalog :lol: :beer:
 
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Some more, in no particular order.

Some pin punches - again, an older pattern, no longer made. Many of my (British) pin punches were designed for engineers rather than mechanics. Great for punching a pin from a lathe leadscrew, less suitable for punching a brake pad retaining pin. The Facom’s are definitely for mechanics. I admit, I partly bought them because of the red paint (I colour code metric as red in my shop) but these 2 piece design punches turned out to be incredibly durable. I would buy more Facom punches,
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So far, I’ve shown mostly regular tools, but it’s the specialist tools where Facom excel in my opinion.

These hammers, with their soft rubber and hard polyurethene faces are the ultimate gunsmithing hammers. The wooden handles give them a lovely balance.
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And a 3/8 drive locking extension. Facom were the first locking extensions I encountered. I show a Snap On of the same period (still the classic design, and never bettered I should add) for comparison.
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Cool to see this thread pop up. I posted recently that I just bought a set of the 75 series wrenches. Haven’t had a chance to try them since I don’t use metric much. Need to remember to sneak one in when I need a size that overlaps like 3/4” to 19mm.
 

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A lot of this came from purchases made over the years in France and Germany and Switzerland.
 

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A lot of this came from purchases made over the years in France and Germany and Switzerland.
Nice collection of “Isoryl” drivers!

Although they still make them, the selection isn’t what it was.

I’m tempted by a couple of the display boards too!
 
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Disorganized shelf in my lab with Facom items…most of this came from France and Germany with the exception of the tool bag that is on the top shelf, a US made purchase.
Can I ask what the metal box is, second from the top?

At first I thought it was a BT.4A but I can see it’s deeper.

Here’s one of my BT.4A’s. Practical little boxes. I don’t know why so many manufacturers struggle to produce these small boxes?
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I bought this from a French Aerospace company and it was almost as new. Made in the 1980s. I had to have it. It’s had quite a life. Came from France to California, lived for almost 20 years in California, and then I freighted it to Florida.

The tambour door is fitted on both sides.

It is mostly used as a weapons maintenance station for small-arms.
 

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Does Facom still produce tools in France? If so which ones? Or is most or all of their manufacturing at the USAG plant now in Italy? I recently purchased this 1/4" ratchet through Amazon UK. The head is a bit thicker than others, and the back drag is more than Koken, a bit more than Nepros and others but I wouldn't call it heavy drag. I like the chrome and love the handle on it. The shape getting thicker at the end and long enough to get 3 fingers on it instead of just 2 on the Koken. I think the plastic handle part contributes to its lighter overall weight which I also like. Koken Zeal on top Facom on the bottom. I paid about $40ish for it. If it had less back drag then it would be my favorite.
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Does Facom still produce tools in France? If so which ones? Or is most or all of their manufacturing at the USAG plant now in Italy?

Ratchets are made in Italy and Taiwan.

The wrenches are made in Taiwan.

The screwdrivers are made in France and some of the more specialty items.

For ~ $40, hard to go wrong with these ratchets.
 
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Does Facom still produce tools in France? If so which ones? Or is most or all of their manufacturing at the USAG plant now in Italy? I recently purchased this 1/4" ratchet through Amazon UK. The head is a bit thicker than others, and the back drag is more than Koken, a bit more than Nepros and others but I wouldn't call it heavy drag. I like the chrome and love the handle on it. The shape getting thicker at the end and long enough to get 3 fingers on it instead of just 2 on the Koken. I think the plastic handle part contributes to its lighter overall weight which I also like. Koken Zeal on top Facom on the bottom. I paid about $40ish for it. If it had less back drag then it would be my favorite.
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CGarage pretty much said it.

It depends on the tool.

Screwdrivers, pliers and a fair degree of other tools, are made in France.

Ratchets seem to be split between Italy (USAG plant) and Taiwan, with a small number (maybe circa 10%) French made, but it’s difficult to say as you never know how old the stock is.

The ratchet you have is made in Taiwan, but the designs are practical, and as you say, the chrome is superb.

If you were to get the R.161 “palm control” style -
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or the R.181 “high precision” -
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then they are made in Italy. There are others.

All of the bit ratchets are from Taiwan (Rotar). I have no hesitation about buying these. A lot of effort has gone into the design and they are superb to use. In fairness to SBD, they have opted for decent spec’s on these.

Wrenches are predominantly from Taiwan, but I have to say that I think the 440 wrenches are superb. My only objection to them would be buying them off the Mac truck at close to Snap On prices, when I can get them at Facom prices!

Some wrenches are French made. The last of their long pattern / aviation style wrenches I saw certainly were, but these seem relatively rare in the wild!
 
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One more I forgot to include above:

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Very nice!

For those unfamiliar with Facom, their traditional pattern of combination wrench was the No. 40. These were originally French made, but the later ones were not. These have been replaced with the No. 440, which were made in Taiwan from the start. There have been reports of some later ones being made in France!

Here is a No. 40 (top), and a 440 (bottom).
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Both are relatively short pattern wrenches. Maybe I’m getting weak, or maybe it’s the confined spaces I’m always working in, but I never find these have enough leverage above about 16mm.

There is a No. 40L, which is a long pattern, and that is the wrench shown by KnurledNut above. These are gradually being replaced by the newer 440XL (shown below), but as yet there is only a limited range of sizes, so the 40L’s are readily available in larger sizes (and I think probably Inch A/F sizes)
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These 440 XL’s turn up under a variety of names from the SBD stable, but they all appear to be basically the same wrench.

I quite like them, but the temptation to get some 40L’s while still available, is strong!

One British dealer sells a 17 piece set of these, 19mm to a whopping 42mm, for £676 / $860. That doesn’t actually seem bad!
 
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I just ordered one of these from Amazon UK. I've wanted a cross between Knipex Cobras and Vise Grips and this is the closest I've found to get a nice tight locking grip when I only have a <1/4" lip to grab onto on the end of a 1.25" O.D. cylinder. I'm hoping the serrations are aggressive all the way to the end of the tool's jaws. Facom seems like a company that's become pretty innovative and Amazon UK ships free to the US..

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Nice city.

I used to fly freight in and out of there a while back!

Some more Facom - these are “Micro Tech” screwdrivers. Even leaving aside the watchmakers screwdrivers, there are a fair selection of these available from different makers.

I always thought the Micro Tech were a serious notch above the others in quality. Better than the Wiha in all respects, and I think better than the Wera too.8069B3C7-4497-4B73-B586-03AC0BC4589B.jpeg

The handles are a decent quality hard plastic, the sizes of the handles are just right, and the free spinning tops are nice. They are all colour coded too. Black blades are Pozidriv.783C7B66-8FDE-49A2-923D-93CAEF16861E.jpeg

Facom also made (and still make, I believe) some pliers in the Micro Tech range. I never bought any as I could get nice Swedish made Lindstrom, or Swiss made Erem. As both of those companies have now been bought out, and the quality has nose dived, I’d be interested to see the current Facom.
 

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One of my favorite 90s era Screwdrivers with a bit magazine inside the handle.
The bit holder is magnetic with a collet and it holds the bits really well.

The bits themselves are top quality. I have never had to replace any of them and they are exceptionally hard and well finished with high polish.
 

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