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So I stumbled onto this site while searching for a cost effective way to install a wash basin in my garage within a compact space. While searching I came across a thread named "The 12 Gauge Garage" and of course the rest is history....so there are other folks out there that suffer with my affliction as well. My wife told me I was the only one...I of course knew this not to be true and here is where all of the afflicted reside...the Garage Journal :lol:

Anyway, I did not want to clutter up Jack's thread with my ramblings so I started my own thread to contribute what I can. Jack's thread has given me years of ideas(in that one thread) so whatever I can contribute - I certainly will. My garage is a level below modest given some of the projects here and I am sure I will take more than I give but in any event, this was a great find.

So, "The Suburban Working Garage" - why named? Well, I live in the sprawling "burbs" of Northern VA - DC and MD are each about 30 minutes away and folks around here call this the NOVA-hood.

In terms of a "working" garage (and compared to many on this board many might not think so given the expertise and talent here) but I seem to be the only one that considers the garage another room in the house - whereas most in my neighborhood consider it a place to keep trash cans and store the "excess" from the house, even to the point of not being able to actually walk in the garage or even keep a car in there – I look at it a little differently.

Space is a premium and I don't really have that much to work with - standard 2 car garage that is 18X18 Everything must be able to be moved around and shifted.

I seem to be the only one around that works on their own cars, has a garage for a hobby or tries to repair anything in general. Anyway here is a short tour of the "garage"

In a nutshell and messy at the moment working on the latest project(s):

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A little more detail:

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I know everyone already has "Vise Envy" - :lol_hitti
Yeah I know - a sad little hunk of iron which I attached to my welding table(even that is pretty sad) but everything is compact for a reason. A wall full of Craftsmen cheapo tool chests - that need to roll. They all fit over here:

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So those cabinets (or dodad bins) are hung in specific positions so they all fit neatly on the other side, so that whole wall is nothing but bins and tool chests. I park the 911 over there. I generally cannot use the whole garage as it is necessary at times to get 2 cars in there. We also have 3 little boys 2,5,6 - so those little guys come with alot of stuff.

Walls painted bright white, 6 4ft, 2 bulb, fluorescent fixtures - (neighbors call it the "operating room". At night you can see the glow on my street from about 3 blocks away.

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Welder receptacle - (Honey, no dryer usage while I am using the welder please) Yes, it is tapped into the dryer circuit. Only way really given my setup and the fact my dryer is on the 3 level of the house. The plug is right next to the utility closet and there is a chase that runs right up to the attic so up it goes and down to the laundry room...so if you want to weld...

And that brings me to my latest project:

Adding an RSR roll bar to my car with B-pillar attachment points:
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So a little on the car (for Jack's benefit of course ;) ) 84 Carrera 39k original miles that currently serves track/street duty and yes there a just a couple of mods. If you know 911's there are probably more mods (subtle) than you can count.

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So the conversion from concours queen to lightweight track day junkie has been slow - like 5 years slow(remember 2,5,6) In any event the car has been completely disassembled and put back together - everything was removed. This was, at one time a highly optioned luxury car with every do dad known to man in 84 (heated front windshield, mirrors, washer jets, headlamp washers, power everything...all gone...to the tune of over 500 lbs of weight loss. It is at 2550 – (wet) right now with me in it. That makes a significant difference in performance both in “go” and “handling”. Anyway I won't ramble about the car.

The other small project (which put my little Ryobi bench sander to good use) was filling in all the holes for the dash - few pics of the finished product:

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What you are looking at are replacement panels from all of the stuff I removed, HVAC, stereo, fog lights, defrosters, cigar lighter etc. Not a fan of a bunch of holes in my dash. I want a race car - but one that looks complete and pays attention to detail.

So I guess this first post turned into some ramblings on various topics, if anyone has any questions feel free to ask and I hope to be able to contribute to the board - thanks for looking.

- Jeff
 
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Jeff, nice car and garage. Where in NOVA are you? I'm in South Riding - nice to see someone local here. I need to get off my **** and start a thread for my garage, although I need to give it some love too.
 
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RCH99 - "That is sweet! "

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cgalpin- "Jeff, nice car and garage. Where in NOVA are you? I'm in South Riding - nice to see someone local here. I need to get off my **** and start a thread for my garage, although I need to give it some love too."

I am over on the other side of 7 in Lansdowne - near Belomont Ridge Middle School and the Conference Center (those are essentially my back yard)
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P-dawger -

As simple as some may see it, I am loving the way you moved and installed the water hose. Our house's front hose is also in the garage and it pisses me off b/c it's either always in the way or leaking from the spigot (which is a whole different issue). Where'd you get the hose reel?
 
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P-dawger -

As simple as some may see it, I am loving the way you moved and installed the water hose. Our house's front hose is also in the garage and it pisses me off b/c it's either always in the way or leaking from the spigot (which is a whole different issue). Where'd you get the hose reel?

LouG - so I guess I am not the only one out there that thinks the water hose in the garage is ridiculous...one of my pet peeve's about the house. Who came up with that idea? Why not on the front of the house?

Anyway yes... a real problem. Mine was further exacerbated by the crummy mounting of the bib itself - drywall screws into drywall only. Not sure how that even passed inspection. 2-3 uses and it was hanging out of the wall, dangling around and it seemed to me at least, laughing at me. Very irritating.

If you can see in the pic I posted I put an oak "surround" around the bib with lag bolts into the studs, hit it with some paint and tied it to that, it's rock solid now. A little bit of plumbers putty covers up the lag bolts and hole into the utility closet.

Anyway the hose real is a Rapid Reel, same as my compressor hose reel. Guaranteed not to leak - and it does not and has not in 7 years. (knock on oak). Not cheap though but it is gorilla proof and really does work. I made the mounting myself with lag bolts into the studs, painted etc. the mount has a provision for 6 lag bolts - super sturdy. Amazon is usually your best price, I think they sell a Roughneck version now.

The hose itself is an industrial type hose I got on clearance from Amazon - and after 7 years it is leak free also. I suspect due in part to exposure from the elements (which is good) I just don't want the setup in the garage.

I tried to get it up and out of the way and the bike fits nice under it so...

Anyway hope this helps.

-Jeff
 
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Well, it won't freeze in there. ;)

Glad you posted the garage and car story. I can tell you with 26,000 posts on Pelican, I can see most everything you've done to the car. Well done, sir.

Thanks Zeke - why didn't you and Jack mention the party was over here? :dunno: I have gleened much information from your posts as well over the years - so thank you.

Yes, I know it won't freeze in there, but if you cutoff of the water and empty the lines not really an issue. I have a spigot in the back and one for my deck and that is never an issue. Although since this winter was so mild I didn't even bother to clear out the lines or turn off the water to the external bibs.

It is just an odd place in my mind for it. I have often though about relocating it to the front but we have a stone front and that got me thinking it might be more trouble than it is worth with me out there trying to drill through stone :eyecrazy:

So I have since left alone.
 
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Nice oil holders. how much were yours?

Those are Griot's specials - not sure if they sell anymore. I don't remember exactly how much either sorry. You could easily make some out of some thin gauge sheet metal and a little paint. There are some variants out there that are made for trailers - they look a little different.

I don't think the Griot's were very expensive - Interesting story, I remember when they got shipped the packaging was not very sturdy and the first one got mangled up pretty bad, so I called for a replacement - they said they did not want the old one back so I fixed it up best I could and replaced the back portion of it - had it powdercoated and it worked out fine.

So in my mind it was probably more to ship it back than it was worth :dunno:
 

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I do think that the purpose of putting the spigot in the garage was to keep it from being seen out in the open, as well as to protect it from freezing. That being said, every year since I can remember both me and my dad would remove the hoses from the spigots to allow excess water to expand out the spigot - all from non-garaged hoses - and we never had a problem. My in-garage spigot is placed almost exactly where the OPs is and it's a royal PITA. I'm trying to get stuff off the floor of my garage, and the rapid reel looks like the perfect solution. No mroe plastic reel ****.
 
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I have one of those Griot's 4-drawer part bin things. What type of fastener and how many did you use to hold them up.

Nice p-car, btw. Wish I'd had the chance to run VIR while I was back there on a rotational assignment...
 
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Where did you get the bins from? Your garage looks great. Thanks for posting.

Thanks-

Are you talking about the 12 bin or the drawers for hardware?- in any event the 12 bin deal is from Griot's also - just holds randlom stuff. I may put some doors on that at some point.

The hardware bins are Olympia tools - Amazon specials - metal cabinets and about 1/3 the cost of Griot's. Most of the nuts and bolts in there are not worth anything I so I just replaced them with good stuff. I was after the organizers themselves since they are metal and can be hung on the wall.

Mine are filled with cad plated metric nuts and bolts for the 911...which are tough to find and $$
 
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I have one of those Griot's 4-drawer part bin things. What type of fastener and how many did you use to hold them up.

Nice p-car, btw. Wish I'd had the chance to run VIR while I was back there on a rotational assignment...

Thanks - VIR is a sweet track. Summit Point is close but not really that great. I am about 3.5 hours from VIR.

I used 3 inch lag bolts into the studs with large washers in the inside...4 total, one at each corner.

I think you could get away with 2 at the top corners...but these are hanging close to the car and would make a real mess if they fell down.

BTW after the earthquake here on the east coast last summer - I went thorugh and added alot of extra bolts on anything hanging over or near the car :eyecrazy:
 

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reviving this thread with an OT question...

I also have an 84 911 and am looking to convert to a dual exhaust. Did you modify your rear valance yourself or did you purchase one? Also, did you have to modify the PS Rear fender, or was modifying the valance sufficient?

Beautiful car. Love the carrera wing and the (garnet?) red metallic.
 
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reviving this thread with an OT question...

I also have an 84 911 and am looking to convert to a dual exhaust. Did you modify your rear valance yourself or did you purchase one? Also, did you have to modify the PS Rear fender, or was modifying the valance sufficient?

Beautiful car. Love the carrera wing and the (garnet?) red metallic.

Thanks - its Ruby Red Metallic. That is a RUF exhaust single in dual out and it came as a kit from RUF with the OEM pieces modified. I sent them to my painter for undercoat and paint. Not sure if they still make then or not from RUF. I good body man could mimic or mirror the (Driver) side for the PS cutout. You do not need to modify the fender it is the valence only. It also comes with a complete new rear valence as well as that is modified also.

Most people simply cut them and for the OEM look you need to roll the edges and finesse them a bit to look factory. The rear valence has an indent that matches the factory original drivers side as well.

Does that make sense?
 

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Thanks...
Just trying to figure out if I can get away with just cutting the valance, or if I'd need to cut the fender too. Sounds like I can get away with just cutting the valance.

LOVE the fiske wheels btw...they're the only wheels I'd consider besides the stock Fuchs.

Ok, hijack over!!
 
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Well, with little space to work with you have to improvise on a few things, like I said the wall storage was positioned in such a way that all of my rolling tool cabinets fit on that same wall. I have made a few updates both to the garage and to the walls (major one will be a lift) once the group buy pricing gets worked out.

I will update accordingly, thanks for the comments.
 

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Very nice and practical setup, I will be doing the same thing with my dryer circuit as unused 230 line is blasphemy. That Carrera looks like a LOT of fun btw, mind if i ask how much that bbk was?
 
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Very nice and practical setup, I will be doing the same thing with my dryer circuit as unused 230 line is blasphemy. That Carrera looks like a LOT of fun btw, mind if i ask how much that bbk was?

It has been awhile but with lines and the M/C I think it was right around $3k and some change. It is the Brembo GTP kit. Need 17's to run them.
 
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OK so it has been awhile but a little more progress on items that were "needed" mostly in the area of storage. Picked up a few more cabinets, not the 12 gauge variety but they are substantial enough to store all my stuff and get more stuff off of the ground.

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I still have a ways to go with some of the items I need to do but it is getting there. This issue is all of the other projects that take time that I actually use the garage for.

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Ha - "Power Wall" - I like it.

Yeah that is a 2014 C63 507 Edition...has the internals from the SLS motor and of course has 507 HP :) All in a little C class sedan. The car is violent and acceleration is brutal...traction is tough through 3rd gear...I have 1200 miles on it and my rear tires are half gone :shocking:
 

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Ha - "Power Wall" - I like it.

Yeah that is a 2014 C63 507 Edition...has the internals from the SLS motor and of course has 507 HP :) All in a little C class sedan. The car is violent and acceleration is brutal...traction is tough through 3rd gear...I have 1200 miles on it and my rear tires are half gone :shocking:

Its still factory fresh, very sweet!

I had a little photo-shoot this season with a white 2010 C63. That was my first chance to really get a good look at it and hear those beastly sounds that erupt from the exhaust. I think i posted one of the pics in my thread.
 
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I like all the red. :) Kind of what I am doing as well.

Where did you get the oil bottle shelfs at?

I got those from Griot's on clearance when they were unloading all of their inventory...I think you can find them marketed as "race trailer oil storage"
 
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Its still factory fresh, very sweet!

I had a little photo-shoot this season with a white 2010 C63. That was my first chance to really get a good look at it and hear those beastly sounds that erupt from the exhaust. I think i posted one of the pics in my thread.

Love the garage that is some seriously efficient use of space there - :beer:
 

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OK so it has been awhile but a little more progress on items that were "needed" mostly in the area of storage. Picked up a few more cabinets, not the 12 gauge variety but they are substantial enough to store all my stuff and get more stuff off of the ground.

I still have a ways to go with some of the items I need to do but it is getting there. This issue is all of the other projects that take time that I actually use the garage for.

Loving the setup and the wall of red. Good job!!

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Ok so no updates in a long time - working on trying to get a lift in place and then trying to stack the cars to free up another bay...lift needs to be small, smallest I have found is the Bendpak HD-9ST - (I know the HD-7P is shorter but it is taller in the columns which don't work for me given height restrictions.

Anyway I laid out the HD-9ST in the garage, posts anyway - will look something like this for post placement:

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So yes, going to be a tight fit but one of the cars will likely always be on the lift that is taking up a bay so once that is up in the air I will have much more space - this is the latest project undertaking. Along with the lift I will likely get a rolling jack as well for tire service and alignments etc. I need to get the 911 aligned in a major way, just need a convenient way to get it on and off the ground for adjustments since it is so low.

More updates to follow - thanks for looking.
 
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nice FZ6?

Yeah thanks (good eye)...that is my trusty 05 FZ6 with a few mods - Two Brothers Mag cans, Marchesini's, RaceTech forks, updated rear swing arm, Ohlins rear shock and soon R6 forks and brakes, FZ8 bars. Got about 10k on it mileage wise, rode it coast to coast and back a few years ago so it holds a special place for me.

Great all around bike with plenty of juice for me. I have a naked kit for it that I was going to install but it seems that maybe that trend has come and gone?

Still on the fence about it - might just put the kit up for sale...:dunno:
 

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Wow that will be tight. BUT if you are able to pull that off you will give hope to the rest of the people with a small double, which will hopefully be my problem sooner rather than later. Good luck!
 
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Wow that will be tight. BUT if you are able to pull that off you will give hope to the rest of the people with a small double, which will hopefully my problem sooner rather than later. Good luck!

Yeah hopefully I can lead the charge - there are a few folks that have gotten them in a smaller space but yes very tight.

I remember having a single when I had a condo - I stuffed two Sea-Doo's and my 911 in there - not much room to breathe :eyecrazy:

Unfortunately I am stuck with a double until my boys finish school, so I decided to create a third via a lift...
 
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