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My wife & I bought our house 4 yrs ago. It sits on just under 1 acre lot. The whole plan behind the purchase was later on down the road I would build a shop in the back yard. At the time we didnt have the money to put into a building. But over time we were able to get a building. We endured a lot of speed bumps in the road... and it still continues. Mainly with the city. Heres the process

Feb 2018 - I found a metal building company that we decided to go with. I went with a metal building 28x40x10ft. If I could do it all over again, Id go bigger. I put a down payment and paid extra for the contractor to handle all permits... But first I need to make room. I hired a local aborist to come and take down a few trees and grind down some stumps.
 

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In around March my plans were sent to the engineer then shortly there after the materials were ordered. For a few months it was pretty stagnant, nothing really going on up until September. My neighbor caught me one day and asked me what I was building. I was sorta surprised he brought it up cause I didnt mention it to him. Apparently the city sent letters out to both my neighbors. The letter contained my purposed plans as well as my name and address... I would've liked them to leave my name out. I get along with both my neighbors I assumed I would have no issues with either party about my building. The letter contained the date of the planning meeting at city hall. However the city didnt send me any info about the meeting. Maybe my contractor received them.... I figured Id attend. I wasn't anticipating any speed bumps.

The meeting was mid October. In the counsel chambers maybe 20 ppl in attendance. The contractor was a no show. My item was the 5 agenda. The meeting flew by the first 4 items. Then to my item. The commission asked the planning guy some questions. He was able to answer them. After a few mins the commission opened up for the public. I was just about to leave when I noticed the guy that lives behind my property stand up and approach the podium.
The dude was pissed and was prepared. He coerced his buddies that live in his neighbor to sign against my project. His case was that my building would reflect heat to his house, decrease the property value and block his view of the mountains. He threw in a few jabs at me. Calling me out that back in the day we used to settle this man to man. The pumpkin pie hair cut freak is pushing 60 and not good shape. He also advised the audience that I should have asked his permission prior... to do something on my property. The commission flashed banged me and called me up. I wasn't anticipating this. They asked a few questions no big deal. They approved it and it went to building and safety. The neighbor could have filed an appeal. It would have cost him 1k no refund. No appeal was filed.
 

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Welcome to GJ, 28x40 is a nice size and the 10 ceiling is great for a lift (if you go with a lift make sure you pour your slab thick enough). Building a shop is like having a kid, it can make you pull your hair out, you always second guess your decision, cost a fortune growing up. Gotta love it, and you hope it turns out alright, it never leaves home and when your done you hope you can sit down and have a beer with it. Mike
 
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December I met the fire marshal and found out how over the top the building codes are. The trajectory of my plans getting a permit were halted. Several violations
- The hydrant infront of my house is a jones head. It doesn't have the required 1500gpm flow. I feel that 1500gpm is unobtainable. The flow test I paid for determined the GPM is 160gpm...
- The property needs to have enough room for an engine to turn around
The only solution to this would to instal an above ground tank, I have no idea what size, attached to a hydrant so the FD can access water. The fire marshal was unwilling to provide me with any info as to where to put it on my dirt, how much water, what company i need to use... nothing.

I was dead in the water. This brought up discussions about moving. But the wife told me to go have a meeting with the fire chief and see what he says. So I did, he used common sense and told he would have no issues with building. He eventually assumed all liability and I moved forward.
 
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Welcome to GJ, 28x40 is a nice size and the 10 ceiling is great for a lift (if you go with a lift make sure you pour your slab thick enough). Building a shop is like having a kid, it can make you pull your hair out, you always second guess your decision, cost a fortune growing up. Gotta love it, and you hope it turns out alright, it never leaves home and when your done you hope you can sit down and have a beer with it. Mike

IF only I had thought about that before the mud was poured. I thought they were super expensive. Never really did enough research.
 
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Permit in hand I scheduled the contractor to come out asap. They started Mid Jan after the rain. Started with the mud. It sat for a couple of weeks then 3 workers came out and started the installation. After watching them build it, Myself an a few buddies could have done it. Obvious it would take us a little longer than the builders. Within 3 days the building was done minus the electrical.

A few weeks later the electricians showed up, installed the sub panel, ran wire, installed the outlets and LED lights. The 220 outlets they installed weren't the correct boxes for my welder and air compressor. I had to buy the right outlet and install. Im not a very good electrician so one of the outlets wasn't connected correctly so it tripped the breaker lol made a pop. Trial and error
 

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Slowly I started to move all my tool boxes from my wifes garage to my shop. It took me a couple of days to get everything organized. I mounted the 60 gal craftsman compressor. I had to drill redheads into the slab. Little by little i started getting things together. I think it turned out ok.
 

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Thats the nice thing about Garage Journal, there are a.lot of people who have been in the same spot as you, depending were you are at its never to late to ask questions. Just a thought, does your neighbor behind you happen to know the fire inspector? The contractor you hired, is he going to do slab, building, plumbing, electrical? When I did mine I had a contractor do the slab, just because I didnt have the manpower. I found out to get approval I had to have a architectural blueprint, exterminator treatment and a lic. contractor had to pull the permit. He knew the inspector so when the inspector came by he bounced in and out (I didn't even know he had come). I did all the electrical myself but I had to have a Lic. Elec.contractor pull the permit. I had a friend that fit the bill, so I had him fill me in on all the little things I might miss. Even with that I failed my first Insp. Little stuff you wouldn't think of like 2 ground rods, a dedicated outlet for my window air, Neutral bonded to ground (most panel boxes this is already done). But for the amount of switches and outlets I had I was proud, I think the inspector knew I had done it and was sending a message to the Lic. contractor. No big thing I wanted it done right anyway. The contractor had to be the one to hook up my main so I had him double check my work. (see Mikes Man Cave). If you do plumbing it will be the same way, any time you screw with. city prop. you need a Lic. Slabs can be expensive, back in 12/15 my slab was
45 yards of mixed, some peagravel and some reg. and it cost me $5136. That included engineer, and exterminator. Good luck with the rest of your build and if I can help let me know. Enjoy the ride, and if you don't drink...... Mike
 
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My best friend built a table for me. Im going to put some casters on it so I can move it around the shop.
 

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check out the bottom box between the Matco frig and the craftsman boxes. I just painted and replaced the handles with longer ones. You are right they were made to last and heavy as hell. If you want to know the age the year should be stamped on the back or one of the drawers. Mine is a 1963
 

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Thats the nice thing about Garage Journal, there are a.lot of people who have been in the same spot as you, depending were you are at its never to late to ask questions. Just a thought, does your neighbor behind you happen to know the fire inspector? The contractor you hired, is he going to do slab, building, plumbing, electrical? When I did mine I had a contractor do the slab, just because I didnt have the manpower. I found out to get approval I had to have a architectural blueprint, exterminator treatment and a lic. contractor had to pull the permit. He knew the inspector so when the inspector came by he bounced in and out (I didn't even know he had come). I did all the electrical myself but I had to have a Lic. Elec.contractor pull the permit. I had a friend that fit the bill, so I had him fill me in on all the little things I might miss. Even with that I failed my first Insp. Little stuff you wouldn't think of like 2 ground rods, a dedicated outlet for my window air, Neutral bonded to ground (most panel boxes this is already done). But for the amount of switches and outlets I had I was proud, I think the inspector knew I had done it and was sending a message to the Lic. contractor. No big thing I wanted it done right anyway. The contractor had to be the one to hook up my main so I had him double check my work. (see Mikes Man Cave). If you do plumbing it will be the same way, any time you screw with. city prop. you need a Lic. Slabs can be expensive, back in 12/15 my slab was
45 yards of mixed, some peagravel and some reg. and it cost me $5136. That included engineer, and exterminator. Good luck with the rest of your build and if I can help let me know. Enjoy the ride, and if you don't drink...... Mike

I don't think the neighbor knew the fire marshal. The contractor did everything. He came out to be the cheapest. I tried to have a homie do the mud... but he was over by 5gs. They did the slab, electrical, building for just over 30k. I didnt have the time to do anything myself. I don't think im going to add a bathroom. If I do anything Im going to do my best not to involve the city. They're the rock in the funnel.
 
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check out the bottom box between the Matco frig and the craftsman boxes. I just painted and replaced the handles with longer ones. You are right they were made to last and heavy as hell. If you want to know the age the year should be stamped on the back or one of the drawers. Mine is a 1963

Very nice, ill have to do that. At some point i might paint it but it low on the list
 
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I built a holder for all my power tools. Im not really good at carpentry but your not going to get better by sitting on the couch. If I could do it all over again i'd make the holders larger to accommodate the power tool with the batt. I used mostly leftover wood laying around.
 

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When I did a water flow test, the report said that the water district was going to replace the main/hydrants on my st on their capital improvement plan. Right before the end of 2018 the water district replaced all the mains and hydrants on my st. These guys were great. One day I bought them all pizza for lunch. They even took the st sweeper down my driveway.
 

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Yes its a huge bummer, I forgot to mention that about a month ago I got a letter from the city saying my permit was going to expire... I didnt really care or understand why until I called and they said the final inspection was never done. Piss on my contractor. I paid extra for them to take care of all this ****.
So i was told by the city that I need the fire marshal to sign me off then the building inspector... then im done. I called the fire marshal and left a message.

Wednesday night I get a phone call, Its the fire marshal and hes at my gate. The dude flash banged me. I wasn't ready for him to show up. I finally met the guy in person. Hes totally a stickler. Nailed me on anything he could.
-access to my shop isn't wide enough
-im short 15ft of pavement to my shop, they require 150ft at the farthest end
-Not enough room for a fire engine to turn around

Im sorta bummed. I don't know what this means. If im going to get fined or its just like whatever. I keep updated once i get more info. I think this stuff is sorta petty.
 

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Politics are a *****, the failed points are not directed at you personally, they are there for the safety of the fire dept. and you. If you gave him a "attitude" which is easy when you go through a build, he might have taken it personal. Remember he catches it from a lot of people so he has a guideline he has to follow. If the infraction is boarder line, he can approve based on severity. Your contractor should have caught this from the start. Worse case is they fine you until you tear it down. They don't want to see that any more than you do. First step is calmer heads prevail and talk to the inspector and see how you can solve the prob. I would also mention you did hire a BC who fell down on the job. I would also contact your BC and tell him what happened. Remember stay calm and try to talk it out.
 
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I'm surprised the fire department is so worried about getting a rig back there, up here we would just lay line up to the back yard, not sure why you would want a pump back there if the garage was well involved.
 
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"Remember stay calm and try to talk it out. "

Great advice …

you can always order a hit later ;)

lol right, I kinda know the dudes boss.

I'm surprised the fire department is so worried about getting a rig back there, up here we would just lay line up to the back yard, not sure why you would want a pump back there if the garage was well involved.

You hit the nail on the head man, The guy doesn't think outside the box. He doesn't understand the fire dept tactics. I wouldn't commit an Engine down my driveway. The drive way isn't rated for the weight. But he doesn't think that way. It says it in the book it must be law. The top of my gate would be the best spot, theres a AA hydrant right infront of my gate.
 

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Fire chief like that, the call quickly changes from save the structure to save the fire truck.

One Christmas night, our neighbor's 3 story house had smoke coming out of the eaves. They were in Florida for the holidays. Fire department was called and when they arrived, one guy with an axe started hammering on the steel front door. Totally destroyed the door and frame. Why he didn't tap the 15"x6' glass on either side of the door and walk in is beyond me?? The other thing they did was hook up two hoses and blew in the third story bedroom windows and pumped serious gallons into the third floor than ran to the second floor that ran to the first floor, that ran out the axed door. Upon investigation, they found the built in first floor bathroom heater had shorted out and smoked up the place. All that water and door damage … whoops
 
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I've been meaning to add a loft storage area in my shop for quite some time. I figured Its best to start on it. I wanted to take a lot of **** out of the wifes garage and put it up in my shop. After a few unexpected trips to the hardware store I got some of it done.
First I had to move all the **** that was in the corner. After I got that done I measured the space I wanted to build. Roughly 4X8. I may add on to it later down the road but I think this is a good starting point. I made it just under 8ft tall. Making it high means that I don't have to duck or hit my head on anything. My walls are 10ft but are closer to 16 in the center of the shop.
- First trip to the Local hardware store. My masonry drill bit was bent. So I bought two and installed the base for the 4X4. After that I tied in a 4x4 to my wall. This part was tricky lol I had to use two ladders to hold of the 4x4 so I could get it level and attach it to a metal stud.
After that the rest went pretty quick. I ended the day with installing the joist. Today Im going to put the sheet of plywood on.
Im not a great carpenter but i think this is turning out ok.
 

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Nice shop~! Sorry for all the hassles, good luck getting the permit stuff resolved.

Did you use joist hangars on the near side of the loft also? Whatever those long screws you used are, they may not be rated for much load in shear (side loading). I'd get some hangars under those sides also, before you toss a couple tons of stuff up there.
 
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Nice shop~! Sorry for all the hassles, good luck getting the permit stuff resolved.

Did you use joist hangars on the near side of the loft also? Whatever those long screws you used are, they may not be rated for much load in shear (side loading). I'd get some hangars under those sides also, before you toss a couple tons of stuff up there.

I will do that, thanks.
 
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I had an hour today to drill more red heads into the concrete and finishing putting in the joist hangers. I'll have it finished full of stuff tomorrow. I like how this turned out.
 

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First off, you have to have a Certificate of Occupancy before you can do anything in the garage. That is left in the hands of the building inspector, at least around here. Then he's out of your hair. Then you need your electrical permit. The electrical inspector will sign off on that. As far as a Fire Chief inspecting you building.....you contacted the wrong person unless you are running a full fledged business and have to install inside sprinklers. I'd tell him to go piss up a rope. DO NOT do any more building in the garage until you get your C/O. Just tell them you made a mistake and you thought the builders and electricians were going to handle the permits. You put a little sugar on the conversation, it goes a long ways. It's your first garage, you saved forever for it, and you just didn't know. Chances are the building inspector will let a lot of things slide, like being in there without a C/O and won't fine you.

Now, secondly.....if you haven't done so already, get your backfill in along the driveway before your gravel washes out. If it washes out, you can't put it back, and your drive will eventually crack.


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First off, you have to have a Certificate of Occupancy before you can do anything in the garage. That is left in the hands of the building inspector, at least around here. Then he's out of your hair. Then you need your electrical permit. The electrical inspector will sign off on that. As far as a Fire Chief inspecting you building.....you contacted the wrong person unless you are running a full fledged business and have to install inside sprinklers. I'd tell him to go piss up a rope. DO NOT do any more building in the garage until you get your C/O. Just tell them you made a mistake and you thought the builders and electricians were going to handle the permits. You put a little sugar on the conversation, it goes a long ways. It's your first garage, you saved forever for it, and you just didn't know. Chances are the building inspector will let a lot of things slide, like being in there without a C/O and won't fine you.

Now, secondly.....if you haven't done so already, get your backfill in along the driveway before your gravel washes out. If it washes out, you can't put it back, and your drive will eventually crack.


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Im not worried about the inspector. I should know more this weekend. I contacted the right person trust me. The fire marshal works for the fire chief. I don't have to install sprinklers. Im exempt, the hydrant in front of the property is sufficient in GPM. Thanks for the concern. I didnt know, like I said earlier I paid a guy to take care of this. He/ the company dropped the ball. So If I get fined IM gonna throw it on the contractor. In the contract it states the company will take care of all permit requirements. As far as my driveway.... yes i get it I have a ton of other projects. I'll get to it. Thank you.
 
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Final product I think it turned out ok. I think im going to extend it 4ft in the future.
 

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Nice looking garage !!!

I can not imagine dealing with the amount of BS you've had to deal with on this project. We have what I feel to be a fair number of hoops to jump through to build something but most of that comes from being registered as an "active feedlot" and having lots of setbacks and environmental checks being quite stringent.

The loft looks great. That's a nice easy way to gain space !!
 

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With a bit of research prior to your construction efforts you could probably have prevented the agita you encountered. For those of us who can offer advice, it always helps to simply list your general location, as local ordinances can vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and state requirements may also come-into play. Development is usually a 'home-rule' thing, though. The state does adopt a building code, to ensure uniformity across the state, and the federal government has for years required future land use planning in populated areas above a threshold.

Did you need any variances for setback, building placement, % of plot coverage, building size, building height, building use, or style of construction, or any-other relief from the building/land development codes? That is when the letters go-out to the neighbors, here in Florida, that may-be different in your area, but since I don't even-know your state, I cannot offer you anything other than that. I processed many requests for variance, special permits, temporary permits (watchman's trailers on the jobsite during the construction project, common on commercial or industrial sites, also used here in Florida on residential sites where there is no residence yet) and zoning classification changes.

Your local code of ordinances will specify that people who are registered property owners within a certain buffer distance need to be served with notice of your proposed plans, or property use changes, when variance(s) request(s), special or (sometimes) temporary use requests, etc., are made. Becoming familiar with the application process for your building project is something you need to-do to safeguard your considerable financial outlay. The website for the building dept. probably has links to all the information you need for this scope of project, right-on their main webpage. Bottom line on the permitting process, you would not have been given a permit to begin construction without passing all the requirements.

When the contractor was a 'no-show' for the hearing on your development plans, once you were in-receipt of the meeting notice, I would-have had written contact, not just a phone call ("yeah we'll be there") with your contractor to ensure their attendance. "It's just a formality, we don't need to attend" is not an acceptable excuse to not-meet the town board, city council, or whoever is the AHJ who could have denied your application. My experience is that in the absence of the applicant not-being present, and thank-god you were, the AHJ may choose to deny the application upon opposition appearing, making their statement, and no-one from the applicant being there to rebut the objections. I have even-seen people who are members of the community, not within the buffer zone area where notification of the application is required, getting-up to voice opposition to a proposed project.

About the fire inspector and the issues he identified, he made the proper interpretation of the code from his evaluation. However, he may have chosen to rely on an incorrect classification. It sounds like he was using the code for a commercial or industrial building, and not for a residential garage for a single family dwelling or residence (SFR). A fully-outfitted engine company or a ladder truck/elevating platform could weigh in-excess of 74,000 lbs, though most quads or quints are less-than that. A driver-engineer operating such a rig isn't going to venture off the roadway or onto a SFR driveway, as was mentioned; since you're next-to a hydrant, and assuming it's 'in-service' (capable of flowing water to its designed capacity) the engine company is going to make a 'straight lay' from the hydrant, and the firefighters are going to deploy by hand the 2-1/2" or 3" hose(s) to the detached accessory building for firefighting/suppression activities. The engine company doesn't need-to enter your property. It will stay staged at the hydrant where they can make the 5" suction hose connection from the hydrant to the engine company intake port.

Your trip to the fire dept. once the fire inspector did an inspection of your property and was less-than helpful in providing you with information was a proper move, though it really should have been done by the GC for the building project, that's what you're paying them for. Your contract said that: "all permits." Nevertheless, you were able to get the sign-off you needed.

When the fire inspector gave you your violations, he should have been quoting the sections of the code where he found the project as-designed to be in-violation. That makes it far-easier to 'comply with code.'

Here in Florida it's not-uncommon for the chief building official to require a meeting with the licensed contractor, engineer, or architect if the same issue fails inspection twice. This is to ensure that the applicant and the licensed discipline involved are aware of what needs to be done to get approval to proceed with the permitted plan.

In the unlikely event that something is found to be non-compliant at the end of the project, after the appropriate inspection process should have caught the non-compliance, but didn't, most jurisdictions have some-sort of clause in their code of ordinances which says that 'whenever non-compliance is discovered, the code shall be followed.' Sometimes this means that a variance will have-to be applied-for and awarded. An example of this might be that a required setback was violated, or a square footage requirement wasn't met. In cases like this, the jurisdiction may require the homeowner or registered property owner to apply for a variance. Because the issue wasn't discovered until the end of the project, during inspections the AHJ probably had one of the inspectors 'drop the ball.' As long as it's not a serious life safety issue, like not-a sufficient number of means of egress, or something easily-corrected, the AHJ will award the variance to make the project component in-question compliant via variance. Sometimes there may-be a construction change required, but it would be a rare event to require demolition of a building just-constructed, in my experience.

The easiest way to ensure that the CO is awarded is to make the final payment to the contractor of record contingent upon being signed-off with the AHJ for the CO.

I am a career firefighter/paramedic, retired, I'm a firesafety inspector (the Florida term). I have also worked as a planner, and am a licensed plans examiner.
 
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Nice looking garage !!!

I can not imagine dealing with the amount of BS you've had to deal with on this project. We have what I feel to be a fair number of hoops to jump through to build something but most of that comes from being registered as an "active feedlot" and having lots of setbacks and environmental checks being quite stringent.

The loft looks great. That's a nice easy way to gain space !!

Thanks, The building codes are pretty strict here. It seems like them don't want the business.
My contractor told me a guy that ordered before me lost quite a bit of money due to unable to get a permit. The city he lived in wouldn't allow him to build it where he wanted to due to easement/backdrop and being in a wild fire prone area... Which was a trip, the area is relatively flat with little vegetation.

-I forgot to mention that after I was approved with my permit. I thought I was good to start construction... No I had to go to the school district, have an Administrator fill out a tax exemption form. Apparently anytime you build or add square ft the district wants money.
 
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With a bit of research prior to your construction efforts you could probably have prevented the agita you encountered. For those of us who can offer advice, it always helps to simply list your general location, as local ordinances can vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and state requirements may also come-into play. Development is usually a 'home-rule' thing, though. The state does adopt a building code, to ensure uniformity across the state, and the federal government has for years required future land use planning in populated areas above a threshold.

Did you need any variances for setback, building placement, % of plot coverage, building size, building height, building use, or style of construction, or any-other relief from the building/land development codes? That is when the letters go-out to the neighbors, here in Florida, that may-be different in your area, but since I don't even-know your state, I cannot offer you anything other than that. I processed many requests for variance, special permits, temporary permits (watchman's trailers on the jobsite during the construction project, common on commercial or industrial sites, also used here in Florida on residential sites where there is no residence yet) and zoning classification changes.

Your local code of ordinances will specify that people who are registered property owners within a certain buffer distance need to be served with notice of your proposed plans, or property use changes, when variance(s) request(s), special or (sometimes) temporary use requests, etc., are made. Becoming familiar with the application process for your building project is something you need to-do to safeguard your considerable financial outlay. The website for the building dept. probably has links to all the information you need for this scope of project, right-on their main webpage. Bottom line on the permitting process, you would not have been given a permit to begin construction without passing all the requirements.

When the contractor was a 'no-show' for the hearing on your development plans, once you were in-receipt of the meeting notice, I would-have had written contact, not just a phone call ("yeah we'll be there") with your contractor to ensure their attendance. "It's just a formality, we don't need to attend" is not an acceptable excuse to not-meet the town board, city council, or whoever is the AHJ who could have denied your application. My experience is that in the absence of the applicant not-being present, and thank-god you were, the AHJ may choose to deny the application upon opposition appearing, making their statement, and no-one from the applicant being there to rebut the objections. I have even-seen people who are members of the community, not within the buffer zone area where notification of the application is required, getting-up to voice opposition to a proposed project.

About the fire inspector and the issues he identified, he made the proper interpretation of the code from his evaluation. However, he may have chosen to rely on an incorrect classification. It sounds like he was using the code for a commercial or industrial building, and not for a residential garage for a single family dwelling or residence (SFR). A fully-outfitted engine company or a ladder truck/elevating platform could weigh in-excess of 74,000 lbs, though most quads or quints are less-than that. A driver-engineer operating such a rig isn't going to venture off the roadway or onto a SFR driveway, as was mentioned; since you're next-to a hydrant, and assuming it's 'in-service' (capable of flowing water to its designed capacity) the engine company is going to make a 'straight lay' from the hydrant, and the firefighters are going to deploy by hand the 2-1/2" or 3" hose(s) to the detached accessory building for firefighting/suppression activities. The engine company doesn't need-to enter your property. It will stay staged at the hydrant where they can make the 5" suction hose connection from the hydrant to the engine company intake port.

Your trip to the fire dept. once the fire inspector did an inspection of your property and was less-than helpful in providing you with information was a proper move, though it really should have been done by the GC for the building project, that's what you're paying them for. Your contract said that: "all permits." Nevertheless, you were able to get the sign-off you needed.

When the fire inspector gave you your violations, he should have been quoting the sections of the code where he found the project as-designed to be in-violation. That makes it far-easier to 'comply with code.'

Here in Florida it's not-uncommon for the chief building official to require a meeting with the licensed contractor, engineer, or architect if the same issue fails inspection twice. This is to ensure that the applicant and the licensed discipline involved are aware of what needs to be done to get approval to proceed with the permitted plan.

In the unlikely event that something is found to be non-compliant at the end of the project, after the appropriate inspection process should have caught the non-compliance, but didn't, most jurisdictions have some-sort of clause in their code of ordinances which says that 'whenever non-compliance is discovered, the code shall be followed.' Sometimes this means that a variance will have-to be applied-for and awarded. An example of this might be that a required setback was violated, or a square footage requirement wasn't met. In cases like this, the jurisdiction may require the homeowner or registered property owner to apply for a variance. Because the issue wasn't discovered until the end of the project, during inspections the AHJ probably had one of the inspectors 'drop the ball.' As long as it's not a serious life safety issue, like not-a sufficient number of means of egress, or something easily-corrected, the AHJ will award the variance to make the project component in-question compliant via variance. Sometimes there may-be a construction change required, but it would be a rare event to require demolition of a building just-constructed, in my experience.

The easiest way to ensure that the CO is awarded is to make the final payment to the contractor of record contingent upon being signed-off with the AHJ for the CO.

I am a career firefighter/paramedic, retired, I'm a firesafety inspector (the Florida term). I have also worked as a planner, and am a licensed plans examiner.

Prior to my build a guy had just finished building a shop. Similar building but different company. He told me what to expect. His lot is wayyyyy smaller. So I figured I would be good to go as far a building.

Im located in southern California. The set backs were 10ft, the height was 30ft. I couldn't have gone higher... I should have.

The city website doesn't give enough information on building. They refer everything to the CA building code. Which is a very very thick book. I've spent hours trying to find info as far as building codes for the city with no success. I' would call and leave messages and get a reply 4 days later.

The fire inspector wasn't very informative. He seems to just stick to his book but wouldn't think outside the box. There were many times I'd ask him questions with no answers and instructed to find it in the building code book. I know how much an Engine... truck weighs. Im an Engineer Paramedic. If I pulled up to my house on fire or shop I wouldn't commit driving down the driveway. Id would just pull working line. I don't drive onto residential driveways. Even if its far... we hike.

I've never had anything built like this before. I've learned a lot. I can honestly say I don't know everything and continue to learn everyday. Next time I have a contractor do work on my house things will be different. This experience was an eye opener for sure.
 
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I had some spare lumber and casters laying around and figured I'd make a dolly for my 5th wheel hitch. The freaking thing is heavy AF. Lately I've moved it 2-3 times in the last couple of weeks with all my projects going on in my shop. I probably could have bought a harbor freight dolly for 10 bucks but I had all the supplies. After I finished that I started to beef up my table by adding 4x4s on the legs. I was afraid of the legs coming off if I were to move it under load. Im about half way. Had to hit pause, kids wanted tacos and its tuesday.
 

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A little update, Sounds like were going to have to extend our permit. We're unable to get the fire marshal to sign off.... After speaking with the chief hes not willing to do anything. Hes afraid if he does this he'll have to do this to more ppl down the road. The original fire chief that Initially gave me the go ahead has been transferred. Im not sure if I mentioned this. Both of whom I know.
So depending on how long we can extend the permit. Im going to have to put in some concrete. This will take care of the 150ft required pavement at the farthest point. However I don't know wtf im going to do about making the road 13ft wide.... maybe ill just move my house. Wifes going to handle all the dealings with the city from here on out.
 

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This is probably not helpful at this point. When I run into a problem that seems solvable, I put on my stupid hat and ask the other person for the solution. When a flight gets cancelled I tell the airline employee I have no idea how to run an airline but if they do, is it possible to get me on another plane from here to an airport close to my home.

I would tell this fire marshal that I'm not an expert on building codes or local fire department rules. That's why I hired a professional to get the plans approved. If the fire marshal doesn't know, ask for a contact that does know about that stuff. Based on recent experience you can't trust anyone but the fire marshal to resolve the problem. Ask him to put something in writing that says "Do this, that and the other thing and I will sign off." You want to be sure fixing those issues won't create new issues with other departments.


OR -- tell him your wife wants to speak to him.
 
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