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Cougar

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Getting a house ready to sell.
Found this in the garage, doesn't look right. Goes along the wall around a corner to another light switch.
Will the way the wires are routed pass inspection?
Been this way for fifty years.
Thanks.

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That might pass a real inspection, it might not depending on the inspectors interpretation of protected from physical damage. A home inspector is not an inspector. I've seen a few like that and when asked what to do I tell them to put some paneling or drywall over the cables. Outa sight, outa mind. The other option would be to put it in conduit, or wait until the inspection and see if it gets flagged.
 

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There's millions of garages like that in Houston city limits.
They get bought and sold daily.
 

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I wouldn't give it a second thought or mention until it where to fail by a city inspector. And that is very unlikely.

A fire inspector is usually only concerned with smoke detectors in the house.
 

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Looks no different than wiring in unfinished basements.

Inspection at sale? Private home inspector can pound sand.
I see no problem with this wiring HOWEVER the private home inspector can "flag" this and "IF" you want to close the deal the buyer wants this fixed or in most cases they want money at closing.
Sometimes I would get a call from a seller and said the home inspector flagged no AFCI's on my 30 year old and tells me this is a violation so I had to explain that given the age of the home AFCI's were not required at that time and the buyer wants money back toward closing fees……. There are now 3 options on the table:
1) You can fix it.
2) You can give the buyer money at closing.
3) You can tell the buyer and their inspector to "pound sand" and potentially loose the sale.

Home inspectors have to justify their $500 plus inspection fee and write all sorts of issues that benefit the buyer.……… I have ran into some really good home inspectors but most are "old worn out handy men" who took a online course.
 

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I just realized.......HI = Home Inspector = Holiday Inn.

Is this a connection we have been missing for years
Yes. but only if they stayed at the 'Express' the previous night.

Home inspectors have the same value as a screen door on the hull of a submarine.
Usually, the ventilation lineup in port kept all the pesky buggers out, but occasionally, while underway, a resilient one would magically appear after days/weeks underway and it became a hunt to capture it and see how long it could be kept as someone's pet.

Agree with others who've recommended let it be. If it's flagged, then address it then in the context of anything else that might be discovered. That by itself is a non-issue.

I've found their (HI) value has diminished to me, after many years of home ownership (and finding, seeing, and fixing **** over time). I only used one when buying in a new market and I'd interview them in advance, as well as request to see a couple of their reports from other inspections they'd done, and and I'd try to be there for the inspection as I was able to learn a little about the local 'whims' of the AHJs, however, .

I'm thinking I've got to leave some specific advice for the wife and daughters upon my demise on how to address the folks with expectation/reality mismatches when viewing a 20, 30, 40+ year old home.
 

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Home inspectors have the same value as a screen door on the hull of a submarine.
But their reports can put a stop to the sale, even when it's something stupid like when I sold my house. The report said the sump pump was inoperable. It didn't have a sump pump; there was a pit, but the house was a walk out basement with a daylighted drain. I had bought a pump when I built the house 10 years earlier so I took it out of the box and put it in but made sure the first thing anyone saw when they pulled in the driveway was the discharge pipe. He also got me for having the garage door sensors on the ceiling, a little bit of bell wire, some wire nuts, and some staples took care of that.
 

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Sometimes I would get a call from a seller and said the home inspector flagged no AFCI's on my 30 year old and tells me this is a violation so I had to explain that given the age of the home AFCI's were not required at that time and the buyer wants money back toward closing fees……. There are now 3 options on the table:
1) You can fix it.
2) You can give the buyer money at closing.
3) You can tell the buyer and their inspector to "pound sand" and potentially loose the sale.

so instead of calling out the ignorant inspectors report and staying your ground, the option is to just tell them to pound sand

BTW option 1 makes no sense as there is nothing to fix. it is code compliant
 

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so instead of calling out the ignorant inspectors report and staying your ground, the option is to just tell them to pound sand

BTW option 1 makes no sense as there is nothing to fix. it is code compliant
So here is a POTENTIAL scenario for the OP and I ask what would you do if you were the seller:
Clearly this is NOT a violation but the buyers "ignorant/over zealous" home inspector flags this as a violation (to justify his job) and writes up this issue on his report and tells the buyer to either have the seller "fix this violation" by installing a piece of sheet rock or to request a $500 check at closing to hire a contractor to sheet rock over the "exposed wire violation"….…… And the closing of the home sale hinges on these two options or the deal is done.

BTW! This kind of BS happens on every home sale.……. The worst "charge backs I have seen is when at the closing table (after the walk through) the buyer demands $1500 to have a professional cleaning crew come in because the buyer did not do a good good cleaning and left some gardening tools in the garage…….. Sometimes the "charge back demands" are even higher if there are scraped up walls or dirty carpets from the movers.

FACT! Uneducated over zealous home inspectors and a "chiseling/picky" bad buyer is a home sellers worst nightmare.…….. The "fine art of negotiation" will always win most of the time.
 
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BTW! This kind of BS happens on every home sale.……. The worst "charge backs I have seen is when at the closing table (after the walk through) the buyer demands $1500 to have a professional cleaning crew come in because the buyer did not do a good good cleaning and left some gardening tools in the garage.
Not every.

I sold my last house with a full inspection waiver and bought my current one waiving anything under either 5 or 10k, can't remember which. This will depend on how hot your exact market is, but houses in my neighborhood are still getting multiple offers, so I expect inspection waivers are still not uncommon
 
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Not every.

I sold my last house with a full inspection waiver and bought my current one waiving anything under either 5 or 10k, can't remember which. This will depend on how hot your exact market is, but houses in my neighborhood are still getting multiple offers, so I expect inspection waivers are still not uncommon
TRUE!…….. It all depends on the housing market and how "motivated" the seller is.

When I sold my house I told the buyers home inspector as soon as he walked in to only write legitimate issues like structural and don’t even write up the BS things like a dirty dishwasher or refrigerator gasket.…….. He justified his job by flagging a main girder that had some normal checking, so the next day I placed a 2x12 over the area and shot a few nails to secure it in place and all was good to go.
 

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So here is a POTENTIAL scenario for the OP and I ask what would you do if you were the seller:
Clearly this is NOT a violation but the buyers "ignorant/over zealous" home inspector flags this as a violation (to justify his job) and writes up this issue on his report and tells the buyer to either have the seller "fix this violation" by installing a piece of sheet rock or to request a $500 check at closing to hire a contractor to sheet rock over the "exposed wire violation"….…… And the closing of the home sale hinges on these two options or the deal is done.

BTW! This kind of BS happens on every home sale.……. The worst "charge backs I have seen is when at the closing table (after the walk through) the buyer demands $1500 to have a professional cleaning crew come in because the buyer did not do a good good cleaning and left some gardening tools in the garage…….. Sometimes the "charge back demands" are even higher if there are scraped up walls or dirty carpets from the movers.

FACT! Uneducated over zealous home inspectors and a "chiseling/picky" bad buyer is a home sellers worst nightmare.…….. The "fine art of negotiation" will always win most of the time.

The HI's report is bogus and therefore invalid. why should deals be negotiated with bogus paperwork and inspections? im not gonna let someone pushed me around with BS.
 
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So here is a POTENTIAL scenario for the OP and I ask what would you do if you were the seller:
Clearly this is NOT a violation but the buyers "ignorant/over zealous" home inspector flags this as a violation (to justify his job) and writes up this issue on his report and tells the buyer to either have the seller "fix this violation" by installing a piece of sheet rock or to request a $500 check at closing to hire a contractor to sheet rock over the "exposed wire violation"….…… And the closing of the home sale hinges on these two options or the deal is done.

BTW! This kind of BS happens on every home sale.……. The worst "charge backs I have seen is when at the closing table (after the walk through) the buyer demands $1500 to have a professional cleaning crew come in because the buyer did not do a good good cleaning and left some gardening tools in the garage…….. Sometimes the "charge back demands" are even higher if there are scraped up walls or dirty carpets from the movers.

FACT! Uneducated over zealous home inspectors and a "chiseling/picky" bad buyer is a home sellers worst nightmare.…….. The "fine art of negotiation" will always win most of the time.
I had to fork over ~$2500 because a HI flagged a few things. One of them was a 12"x12" patch of mold on the sheathing in by attic. The mention of mold just about killed the deal. My agent said once a house gets tagged as a 'mold house' you can't sell it. Cost me $1500 to get it remediated. The company I hired said it was not a big deal. The mold was harmless and they removed it with dry ice pellets. They said the HI overreacted.
 

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sounds like some HIs need to be sued

For what? They identify an issue and then the homeowners decide what to do with it.

The bigger issue is the **** they miss
And the home inspection reports I get at the day job all include “weasel words” telling the customer to consult with a professional….
 

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umm they call out "issues" that are not actually issues or code violations. thats a bogus claim and fraud. thus they should be sued
Bogus yes.
Fraud requires "intent".

I'm with you. If it's a violation, cite the code where it's a violation.

They make mistakes. 3 houses or so back we got cited with a "major structural violation" of not having strong enough steel headers below 2nd story brick.

I had to show the inspector that the house wasn't brick. Exterior 2nd story masonry brick "faces". It wasn't an intentional mistake, but the inspector was wrong.
 

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a disclaimer doesnt release someone from fraud
Fraud is very difficult to prove. In civil cases it's considered a "specific intent" issue meaning the plaintiff must prove that the individual acted with the conscious objective to deceive another party.

You don't have to prove fraud to have a civil case though against an inspector. The seller must prove the inspector acted with a level of negligence that improperly interfered with the valid business relationship between the buyer and seller.

Worth it? Probably not. I believe most inspectors carry Errors and Omissions (E&O) Insurance - which puts you up against an insurance company's army of lawyers.... Even if you win the suit, your legal costs are not guaranteed to be recovered.

I've never heard of anyone suing a home inspector, but I'm sure it happens.
 
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umm they call out "issues" that are not actually issues or code violations. thats a bogus claim and fraud. thus they should be sued
They say that they're not "code inspectors" and get around being sued by telling the customer to "consult a professional to verify"
In CA you can just declare yourself a home inspector and you are one; no experience necessary.
 
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I'm sure there are home inspectors who have been sued by the buyer if there was a serious problem found later and it should have been obvious to the inspector. But then all the disclaimers (and lawyers) kick in and it might cost a lot to prove any liability.
When the inspector includes a recommendation to consult a professional it means they "think" its a problem, but don't accept any liability for the final determination

I doubt most sellers would bother to sue unless it was a really expensive house that did not sell, or they had to do big repairs because of what the home inspector wrote up. Most of the time they just kill the sale, and then move on and wait for the next offer.
 

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They claim that they're not "code inspectors" and get around being sued by saying "hire a professional to verify"
Respectfully, how much time do the Sparkie's spend keeping up with code? Then there is the IRC, IBC, local requirements. Expecting them to be an "expert" for a few hundred bucks seems "unreasonable".
 

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Respectfully, how much time do the Sparkie's spend keeping up with code? Then there is the IRC, IBC, local requirements. Expecting them to be an "expert" for a few hundred bucks seems "unreasonable".
Not to mention all the non-electrical stuff they have to review.

A expert in everything?

I had a fantastic inspector on my current house and a complete hack on my last. Good ones are out there
 

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Is it protected from everyone trying to pound 9 inch nails from the outside? What about steel beaked woodpeckers?
That might pass a real inspection, it might not depending on the inspectors interpretation of protected from physical damage. A home inspector is not an inspector. I've seen a few like that and when asked what to do I tell them to put some paneling or drywall over the cables. Outa sight, outa mind. The other option would be to put it in conduit, or wait until the inspection and see if it gets flagged.
This above. Drywall easy and quick.

Home inspector issues demerits "Is it protected from everyone trying to pound 9 inch nails from the outside? What about steel beaked woodpeckers?"
 

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sounds like some HIs need to be sued
Hopefully you have an attorney and expert witnesses who would take the case "pro bono" and even then the law suit will be ******* in court for months or even years AND what would you be suing the HI for?……. A "professional" opinion?

I don’t know about the legal system where anyone lives but in New Jersey (aka: SUE JERSEY) before you get into see the judge you must go through court required mediation and this is where both parties are losers and the attorneys are the winners.…….. "IF" there is no resolution on mediation the case goes before the judge and in most cases he sends you back to mediation after the judge tells both parties to get it resolved or the case gets tossed out of court.

BTW! Factor in your time away from work and the aggravation the system will cause you.
 

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Hopefully you have an attorney and expert witnesses who would take the case "pro bono" and even then the law suit will be ******* in court for months or even years AND what would you be suing the HI for?……. A "professional" opinion?

I don’t know about the legal system where anyone lives but in New Jersey (aka: SUE JERSEY) before you get into see the judge you must go through court required mediation and this is where both parties are losers and the attorneys are the winners.…….. "IF" there is no resolution on mediation the case goes before the judge and in most cases he sends you back to mediation after the judge tells both parties to get it resolved or the case gets tossed out of court.

BTW! Factor in your time away from work and the aggravation the system will cause you.

no such mediation process in commiefornia
 

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I just finished blowing up a home inspector on some electrical issues. This place was odd- two separate houses with a two meter stack containing two 100 amp breakers on one house; back to back with the panel on one, underground feeder to the other. The easiest to do was explain why the first house had the bonding jumper deleted; it's a sub panel. Then he wanted the second house panel replaced because it's a Murray and had a Bryant 230 and GE 115 in it. A couple of Eaton CL's later as well as showing him the listing shut him up about that but the panel still needed replaced due to the self tapping screws holding the cover on so I pulled four panel screws out of my van and to my surprise, I was able to get them tightened.

This is the first time I've seen a HI on a job, it turns out that he's married to the selling agent.

EDIT. I screwed up. The HI is married to the buying agent.
 
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