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250 watt HPS fixture

Codyboy

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I have one but have converted it to use LED.
I have a corn cob type in there now but it has gotten very dim and just barely glows.

What is the equivalent LED for 250w hps?

I have seen some other bulbs that resemble the shape of an hps but its LED strips inside it.
 
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The original bulb likely produced 25,600 Lumens.

You are looking for a Led bulb that pulls 300 watts not a 300 watts equivalent bulb shop for lumen output and socket type.

Note the LED will not be more efficient than the HPS in lumens per watt but the light color will be better.


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Equating HPS lamps to LED lamps can be tricky. There's a lot of things to consider to get it right.
Here's what's happening in the existing HPS system. Although the bare lamp emitted around 25,000 lumens, your fixture is only about 70% efficient, so you never got the full effect of the bare lamp. HPS exhibits rapid lumen deprectiation, so that after about 12,000 hour of "on" time, it's only emitting around 50% of the original lumens. HPS delivers that tell-tale yellow tone, which is between 1800K and 2200K.
To find an LED lamp that's relatively equivalent, you can start by multiplying 25,000 x .70 =17,500. Then you can guess-timate the lumen depreciation by choosing a value between 100% (full light when the HPS was brand new) and 50% (realistic level for an older HPS lamp). If you split the difference at 75%, you get 13,000 lumens.
If you choose to use a corn lamp, you need to double the lumens, so you'd need a lamp that gives about 26,000 lumens (look at that! We're back to where we started from!) because the lamp itself will reduce the fixture efficiency down to approximately 40%. This is because the corn lamp itself will block all of the light that goes backwards into the reflector from bouncing out through the lens. This is the main reason that corn lamps are the scourge of the lighting world.
Finding a corn lamp that delivers that many lumens isn't hard, but finding one that's that powerful that will fit into your fixture will be really hard.
If you like the yellow tone of the HPS lamp, you can find LED lamps that reproduce that color. They're pretty common. If you prefer the cooler and more "white" tones, then what you'll notice is that you need fewer lumens to achieve a similar affect. This isn't because the cooler tones are "brighter" than the yellow tones (that's a common misconception). The cooler tones just make it easier for your eyes and brain to work properly.
What you should look for is a "filament" lamp, with the same screw base that you currently have, in a CCT between 3000K and 5000K (your choice) and somewhere around 10,000 to 13,000 lumens. Filament lamps are clear, so they utilize the reflector in your fixture and run very cool, so heat isn't normally an issue.

All that said, new LED floodlights are so cheap these days, that it would make just as much sense to ditch the old battleship and get a new slim, sleek floodlight.

Good luck,
CD
 

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I have a customer that absolutely loved HPS for the parking lot lights. When it became next to impossible to get a ballast at the supply house I started using these and they are darn near a perfect match for the color. The first kits I used were to replace 18 1000 watt fixtures on 100' poles in 2017 and they are all still working; one driver was replaced after less than a year under warranty and up until a year ago I installed several more as ballast's failed.


I still have a bunch of kit's sitting in totes that I don't currently have a use for. I changed all (98 pole heads, 43 wall packs, and 12 fuel island lights) out to 3000k last spring because the POCO rebates made it a no brainer to do so.
 
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Well its done.
It wasn't pretty but whatever.

This bulb was huge. But I made it fit with a shoe horn.
First attempt it wouldn't go because its way too long.
Ok , so I pull out the reflector and start hacking away at the end of it to open it up with some sheet metal shears.
Ug, ok more hacking.

Oh ****. Not only the length, but it was too fat!.
So I loosend up the screws that hold the (thing bulb screws into) bulb.what the heck is it called? Ug.
Anyway, I screwed it in and slammed the door.
It is a tight fit.
But its working! Nice and bright!
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Well its done.
It wasn't pretty but whatever.

This bulb was huge. But I made it fit with a shoe horn.
First attempt it wouldn't go because its way too long.
Ok , so I pull out the reflector and start hacking away at the end of it to open it up with some sheet metal shears.
Ug, ok more hacking.

Oh ****. Not only the length, but it was too fat!.
So I loosend up the screws that hold the (thing bulb screws into) bulb.what the heck is it called? Ug.
Anyway, I screwed it in and slammed the door.
It is a tight fit.
But its working! Nice and bright!
20260503_202459.jpg
The socket would be called a mogul, and i hope that you stripped out the ballast and direct connected the mogul leads to the supply.
If you get a chance and you like the results pick up a couple of spare lamps as odds are that the same model will not be available when the current one fails.
 

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Aw come on dave share you knowledge...
Here is what I know. I typed a response and quickly concluded I was FOS. I had two options.
1) Delete it immediately hoping I don’t get quoted before I delete.
2) Get called out for an error and argue incessantly about how I’m right.

FWIW I did rewire a smaller HID fixture and bypass the ballast a few years ago.
 
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Codyboy

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The socket would be called a mogul, and i hope that you stripped out the ballast and direct connected the mogul leads to the supply.
If you get a chance and you like the results pick up a couple of spare lamps as odds are that the same model will not be available when the current one fails.
It has been bypassed for a few years now.
If I could find the right size bulb for 10 bucks I would by a couple spares.
I had to destroy the reflector to get this bulb to even fit.

When it goes out again I'll just replace the whole fixture.
 
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