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tiredoldironworker
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The Engineer PH-57's are awesome too and a little less expensive. The very first time I cut some 4 gauge wire I laughed maniacally.
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And with such little leverage... They are obviously very sharp, but there must be something about the angle of the blades... Hell if I know... I was just super impressed.
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Yep they don't have the dedicated notch but they work just fine!
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Something in the shape of the notch I think, it starts cutting in from one end.
Also I read the handle is designed such that if more power is required, you can put the whole handle in your palm, which can squeeze harder than two fingers can.
Also I read the handle is designed such that if more power is required, you can put the whole handle in your palm, which can squeeze harder than two fingers can.
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RTM
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I have a kitchen shear with that same general shape. They were beasts also. Lost them for several years, then turned up after a drawer clean out. Have only used them a few times since, but they are great. Will go looking for those later.
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Grant Gunderson
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I’ve had a set of these for years. Use them daily and they are still sharp as hell and my go to. That being said the handle ergonomics **** on these and I’ve seen some in Japan (forgot brand) that see far superior.
These I've seen aren't
Oh dear! Torn between two
Amazon.com in the US shows that at $152.92. Kookoobananas! Went to google shopping and prices at other places were here on planet earth, $40-80ish.
Griot's Garage will sell you the same with USAG livery and a lifetime warranty for $46.99.
USAG Professional Electricians Scissors
Efficiently cut cables and strip wires with USAG Professional Electricians Scissors. Stainless steel blades and a 6 1/8" tool length for added durability.
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Thanks. Being large-handed, I've had my concerns about those little holes.
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Man, you think these things are great? Wait until you try the Knipex 95-05-185 angled tip Combination Shears. They are *unreal.* We buy flowers every week for the vase on our dining room table. When I tell you I buy an entire bouquet and effortlessly snip through 1.5"-2" of flower stems in *one cut* I am not exaggerating. I do this every week, and snip a 60 degree angle before putting the flowers in a vase, and these shears are like having a lightsaber as a pair of scissors.
They are so powerful it's crazy. Cutting apart those awful plastic packages tools come in? They slice through them like you're cutting a sheet of printer paper with Fiskars scissors. I mean, like a hot knife through butter. I don't even blink at those bubble packages anymore, I just cut effortlessly around the shape of the item and let it fall out of the plastic.
I bought my mom a pair for her gardening, she says they're the greatest gift I've ever given her, in her life. I cannot sell you hard enough on the Knipex Combination Shears. They are the king of scissors/shears. I've found *nothing* that comes even close to them.
They are so powerful it's crazy. Cutting apart those awful plastic packages tools come in? They slice through them like you're cutting a sheet of printer paper with Fiskars scissors. I mean, like a hot knife through butter. I don't even blink at those bubble packages anymore, I just cut effortlessly around the shape of the item and let it fall out of the plastic.
I bought my mom a pair for her gardening, she says they're the greatest gift I've ever given her, in her life. I cannot sell you hard enough on the Knipex Combination Shears. They are the king of scissors/shears. I've found *nothing* that comes even close to them.
gahrajmahal
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We had a Cornwall tool man that was as sly as your buddy. Each week he usually brought in something from his truck that could be demoed with some example. I especially remember when he brought in a set of heavy cable cutters and a length of four gauge battery cable. We were handed the wire and pliers without explanation. Each of us took a turn cutting the cable. He sold five pair that day.
JohnX14
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Just ordered the knipex in the op. For $25, it piqued my interest. I'm a big fan of the knipex NE linesmans and front cutters, so I'll try these. ( I am an electricain, but I'm sure I'll find other uses for these as well)
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I poked around a bit tryin to find out what I could buy these for, Lowe's has them for $25.99, about $5 less than Amazon and if you do store pickup, no shipping, looks like I will be adding yet another pair of scissors to my growing collection.
Facom 841 in EU is only like $20, and for all metal construction?
this seems like a good deal for any scissors these days !
this seems like a good deal for any scissors these days !
manwithtools
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Same for me guys, sparky here and have carried a set of kleins for 4 decades. However, just yesterday I went to use my basically brand new pair (that's maybe been used a couple dozen times snipping cable ties and com wire) on some paper and they've already lost their shear adjustment (whatever you call it). The paper just went sideways. That really isn't a surprise at this point, Kleins quality has been slipping for a long time now.
ANYHOW, I'm going to order a couple sets right now and see what all the fuss is about.
Thanks Ryan and everyone else.
Grant Gunderson
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Those look so much better!I've had a set for a few years, I love them. I see they now make an angled handle version, I'm going get a pair as they seem to offer better ergonomics. Set up an Amazon link for these @Ryan and I'll buy them thru that
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manwithtools
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Actually I think something is going on at Amazon. I can't buy anything right now. It errors out when going to checkout.27 minutes and GJ cleared them out.
Is that a new record?
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My answer was funnier.
Amazon down — live updates on massive outage as shoppers can't check out
It's affecting mobile apps and its website
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manwithtools
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Glad to know it wasn't just me...
I'm thinking Ryan must have broke it
I'm thinking Ryan must have broke it
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KnurledNut
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A few years ago, I picked up the 95 05 155 and the 95 05 10.
I posted this picture back then in the SYNTA thread:
They look similar at first glance but are vastly different in design and feel.
The 155 have a solid red plastic body with just the two soft blue gripping zones. The 10 are the opposite with the body being hard blue plastic, but almost entirely overmolded with red soft grip.
The cable cutter, which is the spotlight of this thread, does work amazing. The one on the 10 is even larger than the 155, at the sacrifice of a little bit of the straight blade length. The blade geometry is slightly different and enough to feel the difference when using them.
Electrician shears are designed to be held with the middle and ring finger in the bottom and the top just in the palm of your hand while the pinky finger opens and closes using the little tails on the end. If you're not familiar with this, then you'll probably find them awkward to use like you would regular scissors. The 155 has a single palm swell and finger indent opposite, so they work best one way. The 10 has a palm swell and equal size finger openings on both sides with no indents so they can be used either way they are grabbed.
The 10 also has a ferrule crimper, not to be confused with a terminal crimper.
These are both made in Taiwan and may even be the same factory now making the Harbor Freight Doyle version.
I keep the 155 in its sheath which clips securely onto the smaller D-rings of one of my Vetos.
I have the Jonard JIC-186 straight kevlar shears in my work kit and they are robust but lack the cable cutter. They do offer the KWC-700 which is similar to the Knipex 20 angled shears.
I posted this picture back then in the SYNTA thread:
They look similar at first glance but are vastly different in design and feel.
The 155 have a solid red plastic body with just the two soft blue gripping zones. The 10 are the opposite with the body being hard blue plastic, but almost entirely overmolded with red soft grip.
The cable cutter, which is the spotlight of this thread, does work amazing. The one on the 10 is even larger than the 155, at the sacrifice of a little bit of the straight blade length. The blade geometry is slightly different and enough to feel the difference when using them.
Electrician shears are designed to be held with the middle and ring finger in the bottom and the top just in the palm of your hand while the pinky finger opens and closes using the little tails on the end. If you're not familiar with this, then you'll probably find them awkward to use like you would regular scissors. The 155 has a single palm swell and finger indent opposite, so they work best one way. The 10 has a palm swell and equal size finger openings on both sides with no indents so they can be used either way they are grabbed.
The 10 also has a ferrule crimper, not to be confused with a terminal crimper.
These are both made in Taiwan and may even be the same factory now making the Harbor Freight Doyle version.
I keep the 155 in its sheath which clips securely onto the smaller D-rings of one of my Vetos.
I have the Jonard JIC-186 straight kevlar shears in my work kit and they are robust but lack the cable cutter. They do offer the KWC-700 which is similar to the Knipex 20 angled shears.
I've had a set for a few years, I love them. I see they now make an angled handle version, I'm going get a pair as they seem to offer better ergonomics. Set up an Amazon link for these @Ryan and I'll buy them thru that
I’ve had the ones in the OP for years (love ‘em) and bought the angled spring loaded ones when they came out, thinking they might be the Orbis angled needle nose of scissors. They aren’t, IMO.
The ones in the OP, as well as a pair in Stahlwille green that I expect are the same OEM, are my go tos. (The ‘Willes are more expensive now and don’t have the sheath, but back when freedom and liberty were still valued one could import them reasonably cheaply from Amazon.de or Mister Worker.) They’re fantastic. OTOH I used the latter maybe twice before they hit junk drawer status.
IndyGarage
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I've had these angled Knipex ones in the shop for a couple years. I love Knipex pliers, but the scissors are just OK.I've had a set for a few years, I love them. I see they now make an angled handle version, I'm going get a pair as they seem to offer better ergonomics. Set up an Amazon link for these @Ryan and I'll buy them thru that
They aren't in the same league as the Engineer brand scissors that someone recommended around the holidays. I bought a pair of those and they are awesome.
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KC Tool is a good reference for this kind of origin question, as some people did already above.
www.kctool.com
www.kctool.com
Knipex Electricians' Shears with Crimp Area
Knipex Electricians' Shears with Crimp Area - high quality German engineering at the lowest price
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Knipex Angled Electricians' Shears with Crimp Area
Knipex Angled Electricians' Shears with Crimp Area - high quality German engineering at the lowest price
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Tools of the trade... I've been using Kleins for decades, electricians snips are invaluable on a jobsite, just don't call them "scissors". lol
The trick on using these is to palm one side and have your thumb through the hole on the other, it gives you a LOT of leverage when cutting. The test of manhood out the field was to see who could use a set of Kleins to cut through 100pr cable.
The trick on using these is to palm one side and have your thumb through the hole on the other, it gives you a LOT of leverage when cutting. The test of manhood out the field was to see who could use a set of Kleins to cut through 100pr cable.
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Huh? With snips, you put your middle finger in the hole with your index finger just in front of it (still behind the pivot), with the base of these two fingers applying the power, and the opposite side goes into your palm in the meat under your thumb. You lose most of your dexterity and power putting your the tip of your thumb in the ring. Work with your meta-carpals, not the phalanges.
I have bought about 10 pair of the Doyles. I currently have 3 in my possession, lost one and gave the rest to the guys I work with. The best I can tell they are the exact same but in color and sheath.
The sheath is different and color. If they aren’t made in the same factory whoever made the Doyle’s made a hell of a copy.